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Why do we even have random chances to use wells? shouldnt it become fixed chance now?

I completely agree with what you said at the beginning but here's why ponds need nerfs:
The way Jason intends ohol to work is that  challenges should be substituted as tech develops. Water becomes a main component of food production early in game but later we should worry less about water and more about coal/oil. This is why nerfing ponds to weaken deep wells is necessary, so we transition into pumps.

As Tarr mentioned in discord, I doubt water becomes much of an issue now, however like you noticed, this idea comes with other obvious issues related to it. And thats why I dislike these "off the bat" ideas. It tackles the problem poorly (water may run out much earlier) and creates many other issues (few geese) while aiming to fix a non-immediate problem (swamps being the only water biome).

Jason, can't we test that gridless, no clump iteration? i bet it'll be fine

btw, what if someone eats the goose before files?

but you started talking about swamps in other biomes

i dont think this should be a concern at first, unless of course we're tackling town diversity. As far as water tech progression goes your idea of making ponds not clusterable should be enough.

Also, I'd rather see biomes with tech to skip water short-term than most biomes having it.

People in biomes without water should be able to survive with fire/clothes long enough to migrate, so I think the best might be water in arctic/new water biome.

I would like to see this version you tried before judging better but i dont like the grid idea as it takes all variation away.

Having a water biome isnt so bad but transporting water should be easier/other options could exist, specially in arctic biome.

either this or make ponds rarely spawn in prairies, its the one other biome that'd feel right with ponds

And how often do you get cursed into DT? I've been pilling curses since they were added too, even got gang cursed few times and never got sent.

Sure, im not everyone but even among older players this isnt affecting most people. The amount of time Jason spends on tweaking curses is already huge, some changes are good just not every update.

I mean, that's the problem we have with wells, but they are undoubtedly getting nerfed again so I am adressing what's above, because coal pumps are also too good

We do need less ponds so wells and pumps can be pressured, but water will never be an issue if coal is its main bottleneck long term

Considering the changes after heat update i wouldnt mind buildings being worked on before biomes/wells, I think they're very much part of the same problem (existing content that adds little to survivability while intended to).

also, we talked about this 1000x but storage tech is welcome

I'd also like heaters/refrigerators

i still like the idea of non-diesel pumps having 3 options when activated:
1 give water
2 dry (needs upgrade)
3 break (upgrade or fixing)

it should be possible with random item tables, like fishing. A similar system could be used in oil wells, they shouldnt be infinite either.