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I don't use zoom mod. The game is finally challenging again. I had played well over 10 hours straight without starving a single time [besides being abandoned as a bb or a couple of disconnects] before the update.

A line made it to 78 gens yesterday. A 49 gen family is alive right now. You're simply wrong. Stop spreading lies.

and Eveing should be hard, and before you pretty much only ended up as Eve if you used /die

yeah i've played like this for a really long time as well, and often tell my kids to get baskets and gather.

I ran away from a town earlier today, because they had no soil and i had used the last wheat to start a compost and everyone was in my way etc.

But i got to that town had no soil when i got there, and i was going to save it but decided not to (it appears they survived, i had one compost going when i ran off)

unfortunately, my family in my new home didn't make it past great great grandchild

Weren't gathering nearly enough bananas etc. Gathering is so important for early villages.

Carry food, carry a basket. It's straightforward.

THANK YOU!

Famine was rare before, though it happened. I had a game that i spent taking care of sheep, and then came to realize no one was composting at all and food was almost entirely out. I had assumed my contribution of constantly running mutton to the bakery was fine, but no one was really baking consistently either.

at 50 or so I looked around, and realized how bad the situation was, and spent the rest of my life telling people the civ was within 5-10 minutes of catastrophic food failure.

Sure enough, the family that was like 30 gens in was dead within 10 minutes of me, because no one did what they needed to do [yet like 3 or 4 people were working on airplanes.

Here's something to think about: many ancient city states lasted for about the amount of gens we are seeing, and then for some reason or another they collapsed. Usually, irresponsibility, decadence, and soil degradation. In Mesopotamia the irrigation actually made the soil more saline, and they had to move from planting wheat to barley [higher saline tolerance] for about 200 years until the soil wasn't viable for that either. Then the population collapsed, and survivors went to new places.

This used to be how the game worked, before we had compost and soil was rebalanced, that you would basically be somewhere until soil just ran out. [for newer players, at the time domestic berry bushes only needed soil once, and carrots didn't consume soil if you didn't let them seed, and wild carrots reseeded, so soil was only lost by wheat, letting carrots seed, etc]

Jason didn't want soil to be a hard limitation, which it shouldn't be. Instead we have a more Chinese type agricultural system that is sustainable but labor intensive. If people don't want to do the labor, or there is no organization, or people are wasting food, famine comes.

That is the game being balanced. It is supposed to happen.

I understand if you're used to just living on desert tiles this is all shocking, but people will get used to it, it makes the game way more balanced and brings the challenge back. it's quite rare to do like the Asians did and survive 40 centuries of intensive agriculture with a high population. It's much more common that a city state would collapse after 500-1500 years, due to resource depletion, irresponsibility, and complacency [or outside violence, of course, but that often comes after the city state is already weak]

It needs to be remembered by the time a family hits gen 20 it's meant to have been alive for 400 years. That is plenty long enough for an irresponsible people to overexploit an area and make survival unviable. Hell, in the American South [which has Ultisol, an initially fertile but old and highly erodible soil] they moved west like every 20 years because Cotton was sucking the life out of the soil.

everytime i've been born in a civ my parents have been able to cloth me, despite all the haters saying that's impossible and we'll spend all our time making clothes. Rabbit skin stuff last a whopping 15 generations, measured at 20 years a generation, and rabbits respawn hourly. Just farm milkweed and send someone out with a cart, 4 baskets, and three snares, and they can bring in rabbits like crazy.

We do need more clothes though, especially full body desert robes, as i keep saying.

firstly a really important note, regarding wheat running out: you can plant wheat from "bowl of wheat". I only found this out recently, after my dumbass spent time collecting wheat seeds that kept despawning on me. it is safe to cut down the last wheat to make compost, as long as you have anywhere to grow more.

berries have always regenerated and bananas never have. that wild gooseberries despawn is a myth based on the fact that it's courtesy to leave one berry for the next person in case they are desperate, and it used to be the case that one berry spawns every 10 minutes, but if they are all picked they all come back in 60 minutes. i'm not actually sure exactly how it works currently, but gooseberry bushes have never died when fully picked.

The deserts were added in update 71, but it was a while before everyone started insisting on living in them all the time. Clothes really should be an early priority, by any standard. In an early camp a male should be trapping rabbits full time and bring home 25-30 in a lifetime. If when Eve dies the camp has fire, dishes, a small farm, some clothing, and a living fertile female, she has done very well. This shouldn't be something where every camp survives.

Also, i don't know why the OP said stone hatchets break, I've literally never seen that happen and the wiki says nothing about them breaking. i assume you meant stone hoes, which should at least give you back your sharp stone and a kindling.

This game is supposed to be hard. I do remember what it was like being confused and naked in the wilderness as a noob: It was one of the most enjoyable and exhilarating gaming experiences i've ever had.

This game still just isn't very challenging once you've got the hang of it. i'm glad it actually takes some skill and effort for new camps to survive again.

Then again, I was literally the only person who said burdock and wild onion made Eveing too easy, and Jason was perplexed lol.

Also, i've raised myself in the wilds due to food shortage a ton of times, and it was only since this update that i actually sometimes began dying from it again. It shouldn't be a 0% chance of starving when you run into the woods as a 5 year old with a single gooseberry.

I've still never seen any camp past 3rd or 4th gen starve if they were actually working and the server kept giving them babies. The one that surprises me is people who want to have a bunch of pies ready before lighting the oven despite the food situation being dire. I've seen this a couple of times, where there is almost no food and someone is still filling baskets of raw pies not worried about the lack of food, so I just light the damn fire and get some pies out just in time. It does get annoying searching for kindling, but when there is a food shortage using a kindling to make only 6 pies is not waste one should be worried about.

If that's directed at me, i was never upset, but i do generally appreciate your caring about how I feel.

IMO Eve camps should be really difficult.

Honestly, I didn't play from the end of June-January, I got into my busiest season and also kept getting into different games and not coming back.

I always hated the desert meta. I always set up my camps in green lands, and only stopped cause all my babies would suicide because they were "noob traps".

So people are saying things like "rabbit hunter needs to be a job", it always should have been a job, it used to be a job, finding clothes was one of the first things you did, along with getting agriculture set up.

Eating berries in warm climates and mutton pies as a byproduct of compost made everyone complacent.

I've ran off to create so many camps that didn't survive in my time, it's the nature of the game. Life is sad. Even with good players Eve camps shouldn't have more than a 75% survival rate, if that. Granted, with civilization established, not a lot of people should be spawning as Eves.

and seriously, I can't say this enough times, but the cause of the useless berry eaters is that civilization is supporting them fine. They may be noobs, but they're never going to truly enjoy the game or learn to be better if they use it as a primitive chatroom where they stand around eating berries.

THANK YOU!

people keep claiming Jason is my "god" and i support everything he does.

I ALWAYS hated being naked in the desert. It was so stupid, he shouldn't have let the situation go on nearly so long.

in your opinion, should wearing a seal fur coat in a desert be fine? I'm not from a desert, and don't wear a seal fur coat, but I'm pretty sure if I was trying to survive in the desert, my seal fur coat would be the first thing i'd ditch.

well, stop wearing, at least, i might keep it to throw over animals I want to catch and eat, but you get the idea.

The point is, if i'm in a full rabbit skin outfit, i should be punished in the desert, because that is way, way hotter than being naked, even if the sun kills me. I'm not gonna go around dressed like Jeremiah Johnson when leave the Sierra Nevadas and enter the Nevada desert.

We do _badly_ need full body robes that moderate all heat, like the Bedouins would wear on their caravans and whatnot. I hope a new clothing update is inc, now that temp is so much better and clothes are a benefit not a liability again.

yes, people who will now actually be challenged to get better instead of standing around being useless.

When i started playing before deserts learning to survive was brutal and amazing and rewarding.