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things that i think jason could change start in red, the rest are player culture shifts

apologies for the long ass post, ive gotten too used to writing essays and its the only way i can express thoughts now. these are my thoughts on the entire situation of OHOL and what can/should be improved regarding the interface of the game itself, and the culture of the players. feel free to disagree or expand

***Murder and Griefing:

MURDER: the forums have been up in arms abour murder and griefing for a while now. we turn to jason to provide us the solution. we want bans, we want censorship, we want to pick and choose the lives we live and we want jason to punish the evildoers. but he's made it clear that he wants the players to decide on a solution and to work with what we've got, and we've done that for a while. there were towns with guards and towns where everyone was given weapons and towns that hid all the weapons in a neat, locked chest.

and yet that never works. a lot of that has to do with the fact that no matter what, we always end up at the point where all the other weapons are in the hands of a murderer (or a few more, in case of families that kill together) or we've dwindled to only a few living females.

a lot of that has to do with the interface. we have to put down a knife in order to pick up another item, and in the meanwhile someone can snatch up the knife and go on a killing spree. while that can be a chance to kill someone, it can also be a chance to be robbed or killed. we have two hands, yet we can only hold one berry, one knife, one leaf. if we at least could make a belt or fanny pack to store these additional items like we do for aprons, we could have a more secure and efficient way to swap and use items.

additionally, going through a backpack is honestly a huge pain. a lot of players i've seen actually put down their bags to rifle through them. i made a thread on how i watched a girl get her bag of knives stolen while doing this. it'd be understandable if it was a bag with multiple zippers, but its a small bag that can only hold 4 items. we should be able to swap out items like we do with baskets while its on our backs. or hey, maybe we can hold the bag in front of us with one hand, and go through it with another. i know i do that in real life.

jason should also make sure items dont disappear when people die on bushes so we dont lose any more keys

heres more on what i think about murder:
https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2465

the tldr of it is: murder is an essential component of human society. we always have crime and we always have murder. we shouldn't expect jason to hand out bans for killing, having a society that dies due to murder is not entirely bad. HOWEVER, we should have a better system for murder so we can actually keep systems in place.

maybe it could take some time to kill someone, instead of it being instantaneous. lets say that in this new system, to kill someone it takes two seconds. but in those 2 seconds the victim can fight back by clicking on the murderer (i'm thinking in the case of knives), if the victim outclicks the murderer they should be unharmed and be able to escape. we've had many threads on weapons to incapacitate people and it would be useful here. regardless, this system makes it that death is avoidable for people who are attentive. but babies and children and elderly shouldn't be able to fight back. also, make it so that murder victims who have knives in bags or front pockets of aprons can whip those out and stab their killers. this kind of system makes murder risky instead of an instantaneous act. look at the thread i linked before for additional thoughts on injuries

GRIEFING: this is the most annoying act imo.

first off, i think the players should be responsible for making sure there aren't any griefers. we've had many threads about guards and the like, which seemed to have worked pretty well.

this only becomes a real problem in smaller towns. i was recently born into a small camp that had someone making lassos and bows despite the fact we didnt even have any metal tools yet. it should really be up to the mothers to realize their babies are actually demons. leave behind the ones that jump out of the mother's arms and those who are unresponsive. in bigger towns we've had cullers who wiped out the additional babies for the sake of populations stability. we have solutions, we just dont have players that implement them. this is a part of developing the culture of the games. you need to teach other players about population growth and kill or banish those who dont mind the population (and also those who seem to be griefers). it seems harsh but thats whats required to keep the civ healthy. i've suggested birth control to keep this from needing to get murdery.

this is why murder shouldn't have the full minute stun, we need to be able to cull out the bad seeds from our populations. i've seen some people mention that people who are murdered should be banned from the lineage and i agree. the three hour lineage ban should be in effect for those who died of murder. yes, it may include victims but if thats what needs to be done in exchange for a griefer-free life then so be it.

always ask where someones going with tools and make sure you pay attention to where theyre going and doing in order to prevent griefing.

the pace of the characters often have to do with how easily they can get away with shit. i propose a new system where walking (which is slightly slower than current speed) consumes less food. this will give players motivation to walk in cities, and then we can have the regular running (maybe by right clicking or double clicking where we want to go) which consumes the normal amount of hunger until we've run for over a minute, which then starts costing more hunger than normal.

***trade and expansion:

EXPANSION: there are many people who write off cities as being useless, and that's important. we need people to start satellite towns that have their own internal systems in order to create nearby trade routes. lets say a family branches out from a big city and they have excess crops. they can bring that into the big city and get extra metal hoes and tools in exchange.

there was a post a while back about a shroom dealer who would take payments in form of clothes. this is actually the closest we've been to currency in this game. clothes are valuable because it extends your hunger and it can be bartered for. and if someone is killed with clothes they can die on a berry patch and take it with them, making it essential to take them willingly. the shrooms were a rare commodity, unlike food, and so the players had a reason to give something up for it.

what we can understand from this exchange is that there is a possibility of trade, as long as there is something as rare in return. that means that we have the cornerstones required for building a society that relies on each other.

heres a post i wrote about branching off from your original city and im sure there are many others
https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2192

trade requires a stable system that can be maintained. that means APPRENTICES that keep lines functioning.

i've taken some and i've been some. the idea of apprentices has been more frequent with the specialization of the doctor. we need this to be the case for all jobs. there was a post about having teachers for children but that could not possibly cover the entirety of what people need to know to do their jobs well. having a well-formed culture requires having well-educated generations. it should be up to the individual bakers, blacksmiths, and farmers to teach the next generation on the back and forth required for a good city.

farming should be maintained by a group of 3-4 people so that there's someone to run the water in case the wells are dry. at least two of these people should be apprentices, id suggest girls so you have a group of females that are staying near the home, but noob boys are also fine to farm.

blacksmiths should be a constant job, instead of one created when a tool is needed. you should either be constantly producing, or out to get more materials to forge with, otherwise you will end up with a backup caused by a need for that one hoe.

bakers are reliant on the shepards and hunters and farmers. those three are an entire cycle that needs to be facilitated by the CONDUCTOR. thats what im calling the person who runs around with the cart, bringing materials needed from place to place. the conductor should make sure that baskets of carrots and bowls of berries go to the shepard, and that the mutton goes to the baker. the pies from the baker should be distributed evenly to the farmers and the shepards, and to other institutions. the hunters should always bring their catches near the baker, but if not, the conductor should make sure they are brought where they are needed.

the conductor is an ESSENTIAL part of a good large town. people may think that a person with the cart of pies is useless, but they provide for the locations, making sure that people dont need to leave their spots to get what they need, which also lets them keep track of the tools around them to prevent griefers. the conductor's role can be combined with the guard's and they could be given additional knife bags to keep safe. the job of the conductor should work like the apprenticeship and the knife should ONLY be given when the child reaches adulthood and is known to be trustworthy.

this all keeps the city healthy enough to expand and afford trade. if all goes well we could have additional traders who go from town to town and bring goods in exchange for food or buckets of water. mothers could do this job well if we can put babies in carts. if we have children we know the routes from babyhood, that increases likelyhood of success.

***warfare and leadership

like i mentioned in the first thread i linked, i think war is useful. war can be a way to establish real institutions of power as well as use up excess population. i dont believe we will ever have a true irl-style monarch because that requires a single line supported by multiple individuals with weapons. in reality monarchs were established through means of power, and then through the idea of "divine right to rule", one generated by the gods and supported by an "unbroken" line. however, the fact most people in a city are related makes this irrelevant, as we are all children of the same eve. BUT this would make the eve the closest thing to the "divine ruler" as we would get. if we manage to get leadership that lasts through the one appointed by eve and then so forth, that could be the closest to "divine right" as we could get. this is quite unlikely and would last a single generation, or two if lucky.

what's more likely is that we could have several "generals" who act as mentors for other "soldiers". this requires a sustained relationship between the blacksmith and the generals to equip the soldiers. generals should pick their soldiers based on trust. this would be most effective in already big colonies and have the same effect as guards that were in previous towns. what happens with war and the like should be up to these individuals and i hesitate to propose a system for them because i know they will not follow guidelines. they are the surplus of men in the town and i suggest they be used to pick battles OR ensure proper facilitation. again, these could be merged with the CONDUCTOR (see trade and expansion for more on that role) to give the other townspeople assurance that they have a purpose in the society

***Future:

for the future i envision ohol's societies to be built up of massive towns surrounded by satellite colonies. ive also seen people start offshoot farms that provided massive amounts of carrots and other foods for the town in times of famine and we've had giant towns surrounded by walls and im sure they can be built again if we are given the proper moderating tools to keep our colonies progressive. these tools include a coherent idea of the layout of the towns - which needs proper leadership - and facilitation of trade internally and externally.

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we had a lovely lil village going. i was born gen 4 and eve was still kicking. then shortly after eve's death all hell broke loose and some whacko started waking all three bear dens. i ran around with my kids, trying to raise them to revive the village. i tasked my eldest boy to make a bow but he made a snare instead. i dont know why. i got bit by snake while leading the bears from our camp and basically all my kids died from the bear attack after i died. eves, please dont set up near bear dens. its a horrible, horrible idea.

we should be able to build a battering ram that requires 3 people to hold to break down doors so we can access food n weapons but prevent solo griefers

i was sam and i was born again! when i saw waylon's mother's grave and knew i was home. but alas, my mother abandoned me and i grew hungry. but a few kind strangers helped me grow.

i started working to pay back the village as soon as i could. i worked part-time on the farm and helped a man build a hospital. a girl was running around, tearing up the floors. i just thought she was going to build a cart and didnt have boards so i left her alone. i know, bad logic. however, as people started talking about griefers, i figured out she was the one. and as i worked on the farm i found a bunch of nieces and nephews scattered around. all unnamed. all alone. i made the connection and figured the griefer was my sister so i tried caring for as many as i could. i picked up every unnamed, lonely baby, telling them, "even if you were abandoned you are loved"

one particular baby caught my eye. she was a small thing, in a cousin's arms. i took her from him and said she was mine. she just happened to be my niece.

i set her down in the farms and started feeding her. i told her that i feared her mother, my sister, was a griefer. id seen her digging up floors and roads and knew she had been hiding things. the local elder, clive, was tracking her down.

she was a sweet child, calling me "dad". when she grew i named her marybell and gave her a sheepskin. she tried to pass it back saying "for you" and i told her "keep yourself warm for me"

clive was still chasing down the griefer in the meanwhile. we had a few casualties. many babies between him and the blade. but i knew he was a good man and i fed him through all that. we all did. clive was our best hope, a master griefer, he called himself. fight fire with fire right?

and so he was. he caught my sister, blade, off-guard. slaughtering her. she spouted slurs from her foul lips while we cheered her demise. clive was a hero. we buried him beside his home, as he asked.

after her mother's death, marybell came to me, saying "i have something to show you". she led me to the graves of waylon and his mother. and i knew. as she pointed to the mother's grave i shouted, "waylon!" and she recognized me instantly, saying "sam!!" we cheered and celebrated our reunion. i really had become the teacher this time.

mary-waylon would bring me her children now and then, introducing me as "grandpa". she even named a few after us. she grew up, and i grew old. but we were both content.

however, the griefer had caused much damage to the town. we were missing supplies, wagons, even fire bows. and another girl was trying to lead a bear to camp! i wandered about the wilds trying to find milkweed, but the area had been scraped bare.

instead of risking dying alone in the wilds, i came home to say my goodbyes. a cousin came to see me off, and i passed my clothes to mary-waylon. as i waited to die by our graves i told her, "goodbye mary-waylon" and she replied, "goodbye dad-sam"

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