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One more thing that's different from the real world is that IRL people that live together can learn each other's behavior and personality. In the game people just don't have the time to learn who's trustworthy and who isn't.
its pretty easy to see if someone is trustworthy because those guys are working hard an doing stuff. Like most farmers are trustworthy. the guy baking pies are most of the time trustworthy.
you just have to observe a little to see who you can trust
I tried this idea, was becoming a knife lover and made 3+ knives in cities and put them on floor, so anyone can take it. I was simply thinking that the griefer won't be the only one having weapons. It seemed that the number of griefers will increase a lot more when it happens and murders become much more common (maybe coincidences, maybe not..? I did it like 4/5 times).
So I stopped doing it.
yea but you dont need to put it on the floor you have to give it to an trustworthy person
because if you drop them all on the ground and the griefer has a backpack he is going to pick all the knives. so noone can pick up another knife
Just try and make Knives for the whole village so the whole village can protect himself against any griefers.
For example you give Farmers knives first because they are griefers first target
Then you give knife to the breed mother because she is mostly standing still.
then you give knife to pie maker
then you give knives to trustworthy/hard working people
as last you give knives to babys but baby is pretty risky because babys have a higher chance to be a griefer then a hardworking person.
so can the whole village defend themselfs against potential griefers-raiders
But i think for small town the best option is to hide all weapons because in small towns there arent enough supplies to really make weapons yet to arm everyone.
And only give knifes to players who are doing something like the guy who bake pies or the guy who is the main farmer. etc
u can give knifes to the breeding mom and she can kill kids if there is almost an overpopulation.
If i am making many knifes i Always give the main farmer a knife first because farmers are mostly target number one. then you give knife to the breed mother because she is a big target for griefers too. (because breed mother stands still and farmer too)
then you give knives to pie maker. and then u look if there are more hardworking or trustworthy people who you can make knives for.
but Always give a knifes to the farmers and breed mother because those are most of the time standing still. and then u give a knife to the pie maker and trustworthy and hardworking people. and maybe kids but if you give knife to kid there is a bigger chance that he turns out to be a griefer.
We could use a bit of individuality by getting randomly generated first name and passing our family name on to children ( eve would get randomly generated family name also ). Game feels more like ant farm simulator then building civilization without bit of human touch. There are few benefits of this idea:
-easier to identify who is who in all the hectic work (sometimes you ask someone to do something and its difficult to see if that person is following the task)
-spotting and targeting griefers and strangers would be much easier
-family legacyThe relationship status would be put in brackets after the name for example Lucy Basketweaver (mother). Family names could be based on game items and lore like .. Flintcatcher, Welldigger, Redfence etc.
i submitted youre idea in the onehouronelifesuggestions on reddit bcuz its a nice idea
I make knifes most of the time if i cant see someone with a knife. and if i make a knife for myself im Always making more knifes for people who are trustworthy.
how more weapons there are how more people can defend against griefers. because most of the people are just normal players.
there is just sometimes one maniac running around killing innocent people. but if most of the town have knifes the griefer cant stand a chance against all those peoples.
its just an idea.
And if you make many knifes u have to give farmers and breed mothers first because they are mostly standing still. then u give knives to the pie maker and then to trustworthy and hardworking people.
you can give babys knifes but that can be risky because there is more chance that a baby turns out to be a griefer then a hardworking person.
So in short.
First you give knife to Farmers
Second knife too Breed mother
Third Knife to Pie Maker
fourth and more to Hardworking-Trustworthy people
And Last maybe babies but thats risky
This gives me an idea, For all this time I've been trying to keep villages weapon free. Problem with this is when Griefer/Raider does come no one can stop them.
What if I tried making more knives and giving them to everyone, It sounds crazy IK. If someone tries to go on a killing spree, the majority of people will have knives. So the killer is just going to get a bunch of people trying to kill him. IDK, maybe it'll just end up
being a bloodbath.
i Always make a knife if there arent any knifes around just to protect myself and sometimes i make knifes to playsers i trust and if you give evryone in the village a knife there wont be really a griefer because the most players arent griefers.
and if you make youre city weapon free you give the griefer more chance to kill the whole village bcuz making bow and Arrow is easy for a griefer
TrustyWay wrote:We decided to raid the east with 2 arrows and one knife to steal some girls, kill them and others if we could.
Yeah, sounds to me as if they were there for valuables...
well im wrong then he was griefing
So, TrustyWay, you are essentially saying that you are one of the griefers ruining the game for others, and you want it to be even easier for you? Really cool, bro!
well raiding is something else then griefing griefing is that you just kill to kill the whole village and destroying farms and placing adobe ovens everywhere.
raiding is to kill a camp to take the supplies to make youre own camp better. raiders dont destroy youre camp they just take the supplies.
Goliath, picture this:
You are born to an Eve. She is clearly a very experienced player, dashing from berry bush to berry bush. She raises you expertly and you both barely survive. You scout out a nice spot near some ponds for a farm and you both migrate your belongings there, farming, building baskets and collecting furs. You eventually have a couple of kids, and the four of you are surviving nicely on this farm. You are tending the farm when all of a sudden a suspicious man shows up. He is saying something about a town to the south, how it's low on food and full of murders, and he wants you to come help. You tell him you want no part of his drama, he is welcome to some carrots but to please leave you alone. He leaves, and soon Mother dies of old age. Some time later, a man with a knife (the same one?) shows up and slaughters your son without warning. You, being an experienced player, run around wildly making it near impossible for him to kill you. He eventually just takes a basket of carrots and disappears. You return to tending the farm, but live in constant fear. The man comes back once in awhile to take more carrots, and eventually starts taking Mom's clothes and furs. Soon two of them show up. At least, you know there are two because the man is talking to someone, and you can hear two sets of footsteps and objects are flying around in invisible hands. The second person is glitched out, invisible. The man is saying something about them being raiders, and he's telling her to be careful where she right-clicks so she doesn't accidentally drop the knife and give it to you. You try to run around as usual, but against an invisible opponent you really don't stand a chance and you are stabbed. Your little family worked your whole lives to carve out that small farm in the woods, and this is how it ends. Roving invisible murderers working together and killing you for no reason at all. You would have been happy to share your carrots after all.
You're about to just quit for the day, frustrated. But then you decide it's worth a peek to see if you respawn among this group of bandits. You spawn in a big village. Your mother quickly gives you a full set of clothing, including a backpack with a knife. In fact, everyone has a knife in this village, and nobody seems to be stabbing each other. She tells you that your job is that of a raider, and there is an old man lecturing everyone about the pride of being a raider. Could this be that town to the south? You get raised to independence, and curious, you grab a basket of carrots and head north. Sure enough, only a short hike away you find your old farm and your own fly-buzzing corpse! Those bastards! Surely you would immediately begin plotting revenge? Especially when you return and mention the small farm you found, fishing for information, and your own mother gloats about murdering the "old hag"? The nerve!
Goliath, I'm sorry I ruined your RP with my revenge, but I hope you see things from my perspective. I had no way to know that this was an RP situation where I should not use memories of my past life. I thought it was just random griefers doing their thing. I agree that respawning on the same server in the same area can cause a lot of problems, especially with loyalties, where you are harboring a secret enemy. I think the game ought to put you on a different server each time you are reborn to prevent this sort of thing from happening. It's nice to be able to continue a thriving village once in awhile when you are reborn into it, but I think that kind of works against the spirit of the game, where you are meant to have this one short life and that's it, and never get to really know what came before or what will come after.
In any case, I object to you calling me a "griefer" that you had simply "raided." From my perspective, you were the griefer, and I didn't bother anyone who didn't bother me. Revenge for being murdered is not griefing, as I see it.
I spent the rest of my life trying to kill what turns out to be Aname for his murderous village, but he is too experienced in PVP and never stood still, so we had a stalemate until he died of old age. He ended up just murdering the last boy in the village who was farming (who I had never attacked as he did me no wrong). Pretty low-life. I went to his new camp often, in fact it was my own "old hag" farm in the woods. I could hear his "family" doing stuff there but couldn't see them, they were permanently invisible and glitched out. I had nothing left to live for so I just stripped naked and went to the camp and stood there, saying I can't see anybody, and someone promptly stabbed me with a knife. Seems about right.
Small world, eh?
Then my cousin killed u lol i gave him a knife and said he had to protect himself against u
and i killed that farmer just because he was providing food for u i tried to talk to him to come to my village but he didnt came so i had no choice.
i regret killing the farm boy tho it wasnt really fair to do that
So spawned into a villages and was able to mass produce steel ingots maybe about 12 or 15 with the help of the village over an hour.
Stored in a wagon and died.
Spawned into the same village later after a few lives to find this guy claiming to be the master knife maker, now using all the ingots to make knives. [Some elder was mad that anyone suggested to do this and it was better to store ingots for later tool creation.]
However, we manage to outfit a small village of 6 people with knives. All the children get a knife and a backpack.
We eventually raided the "old hags" farm up north. To just have her respawn as my child and constantly reference the farm up north.
Then when she was old enough, she said you remember the old hag? And I said yeah, and was promptly killed by this player..
Raiding is not a solid concept in one hour one life, since anyone you killed during a raid can spawn into your village, silently wait and lurk until given the opportune moment to dish out past life justice.
Being the kind of game that it is, it should have some kind of concept. Where past lives are forgotten.
For Example like The NLR [New Life Rule] in Gmood/DarkRPJust a thought, was kind of bummed to see such a good village go down to a griefer that we raided previously.
Solid Role-plays up until that point.
lol i lived at that camp. everyone died. only i the master knife maker and some random boy survived. i raided my own camp to a new camp where family of me lived just so that guy who killed u had a harder time doing things. i tried to kill him but he just ran and i was too old. and i gave all the knifes to my family and said if u see the killer u can try to kill him.
(P)
Some sort of pvp system i saw some guy saying that if you get hit youre hunger bars turn red and if you dont treat yourself you die if youre whole bar is red. or something on those lines
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hidable name tagswe still hate you, bonerparte
I like the idea. maybe from start screen u can choose a name.
i dont mind the murderering i just hate when people are blocking storage rooms with adobe ovens thats the kind of griefing i hate.
bcuz i almost never see murders too but i saw one time a super big village blocked with adobe ovens thats just sad
Aname wrote:TrustyWay wrote:Aname. I remember you, you were totally griefing. The guard chasing you was a griefer just like you, he killed people like you when they were chill. You hide all our food. How could you both kill all the village because you cannot kill each others.
Serious retard, don't act like a victim. Why do you keep griefing after reborn ? she was protecting the village. Weren't the guard just your target or just an excuse to mess everyone's jobs because you are socially disabled ?
Please stop lying, you never help the farm. You both kill us because you were to weak to fight each others.
I started griefing after your work but I couldn't kill everyone, you must really be insecure to do that.
i killed the guard tho but i didnt killed innocent villagers. and yes i stole food to survive and to not get killed bcuz i couldnt eat at the farm. and if i did kill innocent villagers then it wasnt prob me but sorry then i think.
and it didnt matter to much if i killed her when i was reborn bcuz she was too old to get kids. so the city was dead anyways.
And what do we learn from this story?
Village Guards are useless.
The same thing that I said before:
-Killing killers is senseless, because they will be reborn anyway
-Killing killers is senseless, because you waste your time and cannot work useful things
-Killing killers is senseless, because you waste food and bows
-Killing killers is senseless, because you will be killed anyway. If not now, then from the killers rebirth.
Guards arent useless they can be very handy to slow the griefer down so he cant raid a village as easy. and sometimes guards are Lucky and kill the griefer fast. its just that the griefer is most of the time running and killing people who are standing still tho.
and the killer isnt Always born in the same village.but its just that the griefer has the element of suprise. but guards can be very handy he can be a sort of leader and protecting.
the only problem is that i see guards killing new people just because those people arent good at the game yet. isnt that a bit unfair. why wont the guard just help him bcuz guard isnt really doing anything then just looking if everything is fine. and sometimes they dont give warnings and just kill someone.
and i killed many griefers with succes its just a slow process to find solutions to defend youre city. like hiding the arrows in ur backpack. never leave arrows in the open. never leave knife in the open. Always carry every weapon in ur backpack. try to hide bows if there are too many bows.
and give warning to people dont kill them straight away just because he is exploring the game. and most of the time griefers are by some berry bushes out of the city.
Aname. I remember you, you were totally griefing. The guard chasing you was a griefer just like you, he killed people like you when they were chill. You hide all our food. How could you both kill all the village because you cannot kill each others.
Serious retard, don't act like a victim. Why do you keep griefing after reborn ? she was protecting the village. Weren't the guard just your target or just an excuse to mess everyone's jobs because you are socially disabled ?
Please stop lying, you never help the farm. You both kill us because you were to weak to fight each others.
I started griefing after your work but I couldn't kill everyone, you must really be insecure to do that.
i killed the guard tho but i didnt killed innocent villagers. and yes i stole food to survive and to not get killed bcuz i couldnt eat at the farm. and if i did kill innocent villagers then it wasnt prob me but sorry then i think.
and it didnt matter to much if i killed her when i was reborn bcuz she was too old to get kids. so the city was dead anyways.
I love how griefers now try to undermine the guard duty and turn people against them on forums. This is even kind of realistic. Rofl.
What I don't like and don't get is stupidity and how some people lack cause and effect thinking.
Aname wrote:Well i got fucked over by a guard.
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but i got bored of waiting so i annoyed a guy
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i annoyed him more bcuz he wanted to kill me
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Just because someone wanted me dead and did everything to get me killed. and i only wanted peace and help with the farmWhat else do you expect than getting stabbed when you annoy others on purpose? Huh?
but i didnt kill anyone tho. i wanted peace but they wanted me dead like wtf. i said many times that they just have to leave me alone and go help the farm. but they wouldnt listen and they where just trying to kill me. just because i annoyed some guy. i didnt even made ovens everywhere i didnt try to kill people on purpose.
And i just annoyed him for a little bit of time. i get that they wanted to kill me but they where obsessed to kill me they didnt help farm they just where chasing me the whole time. i mean u really putting so much effort to just kill a guy that just wants to help.
I know why they wanted to stabb me but come on if someone is saying that he wont kill you just have to give him a chance bcuz i got 2 knives and i didnt attack the guard. but no he just tried to make a bow and Arrow to kill me. like calm the fuck down im not a griefer. bcuz if im a griefer im not yelling that i want peace if i got 2 knives in my backpack. then i just kill the whole village bcuz they couldnt protect themselfs. but i didnt do that i just wanted to help the city.
and yes maybe i was wrong and i didnt need to annoy that 1 guy but come the fuck on youre not gonna try and kill a guy who already has 2 knives and is yelling for peace. just because i annoyed someone for 1 minute.
Well i got fucked over by a guard.
i was just a child but i needed a cart to make a house with adobe. but i needed to grow up first. but i got bored of waiting so i annoyed a guy. i didnt grief. he said i had to stop so i stopped. but then he wanted to make a bow to kill me ofcourse.
i annoyed him more bcuz he wanted to kill me. then he went to a guard he said to the guard i was griefing stealing things and killing people. so he chased me so i thought okay fair. but then later when he was trying to attack me he dropped 2 of his knives like u dumb bro. so i picked up his knives. and said i wont kill u i want peace.
but nah he wanted me dead he was talking to the whole village that i was a murderer. a whole village was trying to kill me like wtf.
i said i wanted peace. i even helped the farm sometimes but i cant help for long or some asshole with a bow comes after me.
i killed the guard and his friends. ( 3 people) just to protect myself. i tried to save the civ. but then a girl came to me saying that i killed the whole village and that i need to die. i was saying no i just want to help and wanted peace but they needed to kill me.
she didnt believe me so she came with a bow and Arrow and killed me. i respawned as her baby when i was old enough i picked up a bow and a Arrow to kill her and so did the whole city die.
Just because someone wanted me dead and did everything to get me killed. and i only wanted peace and help with the farm.
maybe i just had to be killed so the city would live but those assholes didnt deserve that.
This was one of my recent lives
I was a boy in a pretty big city i spawned there like 4 times and i builed a house there.
but i was a boy just waiting to get bigger so i could get carts. but i was getting bored of waiting and i was annoying people.
Some guy went mad and called me names. he wanted to kill me and tried to make a bow and Arrow he failed to make the Arrow tho.
i was laughing at him and annoying him. i was even helping to make a Arrow. but then he went to a kid a (guard) he said that i was griefing and that i wasnt doing anything.
So of course the gaurd went crazy and chased me. i ran away to my house that i builded in previous lives. i hide there for a minute and then came back. and ofcourse he went chasing me again so i ran away again.
Then i came back he chased me but dropped one of his knifes i picked up the knife and ran away.
I saw the guy who i annoyed and who wanted me dead. i killed him and the guard came and went chasing me again.
I ran away and hide somewhere in the bushes. i came back and wanted peace so i tried to talk to people but everyone ran away.
and i tried talking too many people but they where scared of me bcuz i was a murderer. then the guard came fucking again he missed a click and dropped his second knife i picked up the second knife and the whole village was my bff out of nowhere like wtf.
I said that i didnt want to kill them. and i didnt kill any of them. i found a blue wooly hat and put it on. the whole town named me blue.
so i talked to some guy and he was pretty nice tho. but then i saw the gaurd making a Arrow i ran to him and stole the Arrow.
the guard said that i stole everything and that i need to leave. i said no i didnt do shit.
i didnt kill the guard. bcuz im not a killer but noone believed me. so time went on i helped the farm a little bit. and then i saw the guard with a bow and Arrow but the guard got a friend who wanted me dead too.
so i had to fight two people! i stole a cart of carrots ran to my house and hide there for a minute. but then i was like fuck this shit.
i went straight back to the camp. i saw the guard i ran to him and killed him. 1 down just 1 to go. the other guy the guards friend had a bow so he chased me. but then he missed his shot i tried to kill him but he was too fast. he chased me some more to drop his Arrow again. then i chased him some more.
then i lost him. i went back to the farm to help but then i saw that sneaky bastard and ran to him. he ran away but i chased him we had both many misses. but then he dropped his bow and arrown and i stood on the bow and Arrow i picked up the Arrow and then i chased him with my knife 1 minute later and i saw he gave up and then i killed him.
i ran back to the farm. a girl came near me and hated me blue why are u killing and stealing food. i said that i did that to protect myself. i went back to the farm to save the farm then that bitch came to me with a bow i ran.
she missed a shot at me i picked my knife out of my backpackand then i missed. she shot me and i saw the light.
But then i respawned as a boy and guess who my mom yes it was the bitch who killed me. i spend some time making a bow then when she was sitting at the fire i shot her. i got my revenge.
then i picked up my blue wooly hat and hide it somewhere. i hi some arrows and 1 knife. then i went to die in my house.
the whole villaged was destroyed just because they wanted to kill me real bad i didnt even know why bcuz i was trying to help farm but i couldnt help bcuz some maniacs with bows and knives are trying to kill me. i was hunted for my whole life. i died at the age of 53 shot by bow and Arrow. just because they all hated me.
from the day i was born i was trying to not get killed. but it was fun i enjoyed that i got to kill them. too bad i died of the last girl in the whole village
This story was with blue the guy who just wanted to help.
In my recent life i was a traveler i was a girl
i found many civs some died by trolls and some where dead of low supply. when i got older i stopped at a village and got a kid. i said to her im a traveler and she could chose what she wants. and she wanted to travel with me. so she came with the idea to make pies.
so we made many pies and put them in the cart. i was getting grey and i got a son in the process. and my daughter got a son as well.
so i got a grandson. and everyone wanted to travel. so we where as family traveling. But then a bear came everyone panicked. they ran of without me. AND I GOT THE CART WITH PIES! i almost died there where some close calls with that bear. but i got away i tried to find my family my kids and grandkid. i couldnt find them. i knew they had a cart full of carrots but i got the cart of pies.
and so i lost my family not knowing if they where still alive i moved on to find them. i spend the last years trying to find them. I didnt find them but i didnt find corpes either so maybe they are still alive maybe they tried to find me. or maybe they tought i was killed by the bear. i dont know. its sad that i couldnt be with my family the last minutes in my life. i died of old age.
I hope they are safe.
Aiven wrote:Joriom wrote:Also... religion is fiction invented by people for the purpose of mass crowd controll.
No, it's not.
It is not invented, it evolved from folklore and was only later used for mass crowd control.
I agree that there should be a system but I also agree that punishments are not the way to go.
I think the idea of marking someone as untrustworthy is the best one I've heard so far (either manually by uses or automatically based on you number of murders). If marked, you can still do anything you like (and possibly redeem yourself if you work hard or when time passes) and the collective will know about you and what to do about you.
I'd call it karma - some way of past actions following you to your next lives and players having access to that information. It's not a direct punishment but people would be warned about the griever early on.
Most people will kill those guys i mean if a baby with a red name or something spawn the parent are goint to let it die so.
My recent game i was born a male in a great city but i didnt really felt home there
so i got an idea to make my own home! So i looked at a nice spot not far from the city tho. (i did need food so)
i gathered the mallets axe etc to make planks and i gathered some stakes.
i gave all my life to build that house so much effort with adobe walls (i got Lucky that there where many clay pits and reed there)
And i felt pride when i builded that house i just stayed in my house till i died of starvation at the age of 59.
i lived 59 years to make a house.
I itsnt that hard to survive
its just the first pair of lives u dont do anything then die
i looked sometimes on the wiki but mostly i try to figure things out with common sense. or i just copied what other people where doing.
jasonrohrer - Last Saturday at 6:49 AM
Not sure... the way murder is handled will likely be modified a bunch more in the future.jasonrohrer - Last Wednesday at 10:42 PM
Yeah, it can't be slow TO KILL someonejasonrohrer - 03/11/2018
When you see someone walking around with a loaded bow, that's when you say, WTFjasonrohrer - 03/11/2018
Well, when massacres happen in real life, people are often caught by surprise and a lot of people die.
It's not like the little kids in the classroom "get wounded" and then have a chance to fight back against the maniac.
I get that kids cant defend themselfs.
But adult can. If u have a full grown adult against a other adult i dont think the adult with the knife is going to win so easily with just one shitty stab.
And even little kids can pick up knives and kill fully grown adults. Thats just stupid. and elderly can kill fully grown and fit adults as well.
i mean a kid cant kill a fucking adult no matter what. a elderly person cant kill a adult with one stab.
An adult will win against a kid and a elderly person in a fight even where a knife is involved the adult can have scars or something.
but an adult against an adult is way more complex.
so i just think there has to be a wound or a defend system in the game bcuz its boring to get killed by a 10 year old kid who just picked up a knife when he was big enough to pick it up. just plain stupid.
My headcanon is that someone ran around with a knife and killed almost all humans on earth, completely destroying civilization as we know it. Only very few survived this troll apokalypse, but humanity got yet another chance to thrive under the kind protection of the carrot god.
nah man there are still people running around with knives so the troll apokalypse isnt over yet.