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I don't know if sending a boy out for iron before seven makes for a good call, though if a badlands lies close enough to a food source, I can see it.  But, after seven I think that's mostly a good idea.  I'm not so sure about killing a boy who is just hanging around, because he might be a new player using the tab bar to figure things out or looking things up online.  But definitely, boys and men probably preferably will be the ones who more often do things away from camp.

The charcoal newcomen pump produces 3 buckets of water, but requires 1 bucket to run (you take a bucket out, throw a bucket back in, put a basket of charcoal in, and then lite it up with a firebrand).  The kerosone newcomen pump produces 5 buckets of water once it has gotten setup, but also requires 1 bucket of water to run.  It runs similarly to the charcoal pump, except that it requires kerosone to run.  Also, there exists a diesel water engine, which requires a shallow well instead of a deep well to upgrade.  It produces 7 buckets of water per use, and from the wiki it only requires kerosone to run.  Thus, it produces the most water AND requires less kindling to run than either of the pumps after enough uses since it requires kindling (and water) to setup using a newcomen multipurpose engine mostly using steel, and some wrought iron, a long straight shaft, and a raw rubber tire.  It does require more iron to setup than either pump.

The skewers have to get cut from wild saplings with a sharp stone.  Domestic saplings yield weak skewers, which unless things have changed, cannot get used to till the soil (though weak skewers do come as useful for other things). 

No.  Specifically the 'all other crops' sentence is not correct.  Green beans take 4 minutes to grow.  If they get left 2 more minutes, until 6 minutes they turn into dry beans.  So, if you want green beans, then warnings about the time sensitivity of green beans applies.  If you want dry beans, the time sensitivity applies.  Also, cabbages are time sensitive.  They take 4 minutes to get to the form of a red cabbage which can get used to make sauerkraut.  If you wait until 5 minutes they turn into cabbage seeds.  Both carrot seeds and cabbage seeds can disappear, while green beans do not.  Additionally, trees can get grown.  Not all trees need the same resources.  After initially planted most trees require getting rewatered after thirty minutes.  Mangoes are a bit different in that they require a basket of soil and a bucket of water at some stage to grow to full maturity.  Furthermore, potatoes differ in that after they have gotten setup, they require one more soil to reach maturity.  That said, they do not decay or have a seeding form.

I feel that it can use clarification now that dry beans consist of the type of beans needed for stew (green beans can only get eaten raw in a clay bowl).

Yes, only fruiting milkweed produces seeds.  However, picked fruiting milkweed takes longer to decay than other stages.  Of course, you need enough milkweed seeds around or decaying (but not decayed) fruiting milkweed to make those seeds.  So, a balance of picking fruiting milkweed and non-fruiting milkweed comes as desireable.  That said, it probably comes as best to pick fruiting milkweed first, and anytime you feel unsure pick milkweed only at the fruiting stage.

There also exists berry pies, berry carrot pies, carrot pies, carrot rabbit pies, and berry carrot rabbit pies.  Berry pies just require a bowl of berries put onto pie crust.  A berry carrot pie is a bowl of berries plus a carrot in a clay bowl, then mashed, and put onto pie crust.  A carrot pie doesn't need a bowl, just a carrot and pie crust. Carrot rabbit pies and berry carrot rabbit pies need mashed.  Additionally, in an oven, a turkey can get cooked.  But, when using the oven a turkey preferably gets cooked last after all other foods in the batch (or at least I haven't tried cooking anything with a turkey in the oven).  A plucked turkey needs to get put onto a plate and then put into an oven. After a bit, it gets taken out.  Then it needs carved with a knife similarly to bread.  To eat, you need to put the turkey slice onto a plate.

As someone else told me HoneyBunny is never Eve.  Consequently, his opinion comes as suspicious.

So a few things.  No, it's not efficient to collect rope, if you mean to get more than one rope.  It's more efficient to make one rope and then complete one of the tools.  I use to go for all three of the primary tools straight away.  I usually make the rabbit snare first.  Then I make the fire bow drill.  Then I complete the stone hatchet.  The stone hatchet has to come last, because as soon as it gets made, a sharp stone is lost.  If the rabbit snare isn't desirable right away now (though I kind of doubt that), then the order should be the fire bow drill and the stone hatchet.  Bottom line though... no, collecting multiple ropes is probably not optimally efficient.  Making the tools that you want first one by one results in less running around, since collecting multiple ropes and then finding branches takes more time, because if you do that, you pass up so many branches while collecting a second rope.  Of course, that's assuming that the grassland you find first has twelve milkweed and enough branches.

Second, when collecting adobe and clay I would also during the same trip make new baskets.  That way my children would have baskets ready to go. But, I don't how feasible that is now, since when I did that I would drop my children off in a warm desert spot.  Making a new basket in the same trip as getting as getting adobe or clay might now all too likely result in the child starving... I don't know.

Third, plates aren't useful for farming.  Bowls are.  Sure, if you want to cook a lot of eggs, then plates come as needed, but really a balance of bowls and plates seems right, unless you want to rush cooking eggs or rush the farm (I did two bowls and the nozzle via the first fire sometimes before as I had children tell me 'need farm' sometimes or something like throwing soil above the kiln before I've fired anything, instead of say gathering food or resources).  Or at least it was.  With the desirability of heating any infant now by fire or a hot flat rock, I still think a balance comes as needed.  Someone in another thread pointed out that popcorn and green beans make for good foods (and I agree even more so now since you want to have your camp close to the prairie).  That entails that a balance of plates and bowls comes as desireable, but apparently it's not happening.  Why?  Because not enough bowls have gotten fired.

Also, I would completely expect that finding a flat rock has become more difficult since no one is settling in a desert any longer.  So cooking eggs early has become more difficult.

Removing stump isn't necessary and I think actually slows down the trapping process, because mosquitoes can't move onto a stump.  Then again, there's little use in knowing this sort of thing at present, since living in a jungle just sounds like 'try hard with not enough benefit' mode.  Also, snakes need a knife to get killed, but I think you were already thinking along the right lines.  You really only need one or two people to destroy threats in most biomes, except in jungles, where it takes more time and effort, at least if you have a sizeable jungle and want to use as much of the jungle as possible.

I think that's a better idea than what we have at present.  I don't think it's a foolproof test, but it's an experimental approach at least and has promise in other regards also.  I suggest you put that idea up here: https://www.reddit.com/r/OneLifeSuggestions/

Because they do.  Here's a simple test.  Go on a low population server and reset until you're an Eve in a grassland.  Make a stone hatchet.  Spend the rest of your life chopping up branches.  If none breaks, keep on playing using your Eve chain until one breaks.  I've seen one break with my one eyes several times.

The map has more trees for butt logs so you can get them.  I wasn't clear at all, and that is my error.  I meant the local butt log supply.  I can't tell if using a horsecart is indicative of anything, though it could be if people were using a handcart to transport them before the update more often suggesting that getting them might be further away from town... or it could be people wanting to move faster... I don't know.  Also, remember that butt logs have a good number of uses other than wood flooring... disks for carts, disks for cars, disks for buckets, boards for buckets, boards for doors, boards for boxes, boards for sledges, boards for regular carts, boards for horsecarts, board for rubber wheeled carts, disks for a drop spindle, boards for a kraut board, boards for a propeller, boards for a radio, boards for a small sign or a big sign.  Butt logs can also get used as firewood, and butt logs can get used to make track kits but I don't know of any circumstances where I would recommend either.

Wild berry bushes still regenerate as I understand things.  Before this recent update, they don't regenerate.  Watching a stream since the update, I've still seen empty banana trees, so I'm fairly sure that they don't (I cut all the banana trees down in my jungle before the update after emptying them, since I figured they would be useless and more items on the ground and I could use more kindling).

Thanks for the information Eddie. Since all tiles need wood flooring, it sounds like that at least the forge, if not the oven also will have to move. Or do I misunderstand things and stakes can get put on the same space as a kiln?  I haven't tried that admittedly, but I can't imagine that working.  Players have to destroy a kiln and rebuild things now or move it, build all these buildings, build wood flooring, there does not exist any way to get any farmers to good temperature like before, but the game isn't harder?  Sounds to me like you've provided more evidence that the game has become harder.

I don't think any people other than babies used that, to reiterate now non-existent, "exploit" intentionally.  However, if you set up a farm on a desert edge with ponds a little bit into a swamp, then when people ran for water, it seems reasonable to believe that this "exploit" came as in effect for farmers.  As an Eve I had developed a strategy of looking for a desert with a pond either in it or near it.  Since I usually found one or two ponds at most in a desert, I expect that my families farmers had that *effect* in force at some point, since they won't just rely on the primary and/or secondary ponds for water always.  Since my families would often choose to grow berry bushes in those borders, that suggests that when picking berries off of bushes to feed sheep that effect came into force also.  I'm sure that other families had their effect in force as I saw other families have a desert with a pond in it, and some of their farm at the edge of a desert and a swamp.  I'm fairly confident that this sort of advantage for farmers is now impossible for any family.  The farmers will be either too cold or too hot, if anyone ever again sets up in desert or jungle, which I find unlikely unless things change, in comparison to before.  I think it clear that this entails that farmers will have to eat more necessarily, making soil and water pressure more intense.  Since people will go with spots that need clothing that means more milkweed early, which means soil and water pressure also become more intense also.  At least unless playstyles adapt.  And even if they do, players who aren't Eves or their children have more to think about, since usually temperature mechanics got made smooth to at least some extent (or could be made smooth by Eves and their children) for later players by Eves and their children before.  So contrary to what Jason has said, the changes do make the game more difficult, except of course, for those families who were NOT settling in a desert or jungle before.

Thinking more on this, I did start trying to using that effect, the 'jumping back and forth across a boundary, between a hot and cold biome' intentionally.  So, the first sentence isn't true, though it may perhaps still hold that it came as not all that common that people tried to use such intentionally.  I tried to place my kiln at the edge of a desert and grassland (or swamp... preferably grassland).  I hardly ever found the 'sweet' or ideal spot, as watching my temperature while firing clay bowls I didn't find feasible, but I did happen upon the idea of hoping to find a balance of not too cold spots and not too warm spots to dance around when I would fire clay bowls (or smith if I built say a second kiln later than as an Eve).  That said, I probably did get close to the sweet or idol spot intentionally, and I use to comment on people on Twitch streamers who had their kiln in their center of a desert saying things "I don't understand cooking the smith".  That all said, for my recent run on a low-population server that "Frost" knows about, I finally tried a sizeable jungle with mosquitoes and parking my kilns a few tiles inside of a jungle is much simpler than finding the sweet spot for the smith to dance around (taken in isolation from the problem of handling mosquitoes). 

I do think, contrary to Jason, that the mosquitoes offered enough of a tradeoff.  When I saw people with yellow fever I would say things like "get in cold" or "get in grass" and they would remain in the jungle.  And sure, they can get trapped and entombed.  But, doing so is more complicated than hunting a boar, wolf, or snake.  I know I got bite a few times while trying to do so.  When I trapped them, I watched my pip meter very carefully and wouldn't try to trap them if I had less than 6 pips or was past 50.  Mosquitoes killed a lot of children even if they were players who knew about temperature mechanics.  And as an Eve before the bigserver change, I would run past jungles for the most part, as I didn't understand how to handle the mosquitoes then, and even now that I do, I'm not sure that I could teach my children how to do so by the time I died, or feel confident that enough players would do that later on.  When I trapped them, once or twice, at the end of one life I thought certain areas were safe.  Then I found out that there were mosquitoes who had stopped moving somehow even though they had an open square less than 6 tiles away.  They wouldn't start moving until they got "reset" somehow, or so it seemed.  And mosquitoes can hide behind trees also.

Jungles once could be or were beautiful (maybe after cleaning up items used to trap mosquitoes).  Now they are hot hellholes that reasonable players will only touch to make rubber or to grow mangoes.  I find such places becoming hideous like that such a pity.  /sad  /angry

    As I understand the history of hominids comes as one living in a rainforest, including the early history of humanity.  But, now the early history of "OHOL humanity" has people avoiding jungle like the plague.  Eves were sometimes doing that before (I know I generally avoided the jungles when trying to find families as Eve Spoon... I'd lose time if I got bite and I worried about my family having mosquito bites... but I did get born to people trying the jungle, and later I tried it on a low population server), but now I expect every competent Eve will avoid the jungle as much as they can even if some small jungle patch doesn't have mosquitoes.  Suspend my disbelief?  But how do I do this when "humanity" no longer can originate from a rainforest?  And don't people still live there today well enough sometimes with long family histories (granted they don't keep records... but I would guess there is some oral knowledge of their families history)?

There exists a big road on server12.  If you hop on there and can find it, see what happens I guess.

Thanks for the suggestions.  I do appreciate them.  I do have a bunch of butt logs and another neighbor than Frost kindly gave me three axes.  I know how to grow trees also and have a good water supply (though I don't have a diesel water pump).  There still exist drawbacks now.

1. As I understand Jason's post, wood flooring and walls will have the same cooling effect as a heating effect.  But if you're cold, then heating things up with a fire would make things better.  So unless fire with flooring and a room will overheat you (I haven't tested this... and I think it varies with room size), fire comes as the last component of heating yourself up.  That's fine for a cold spot, I think.  But, for a warmer spot, I think the equivalent of fire is snow.  Importing snow is slow because of how fast you move with a snowball.  And snow is less useful than fire.  So, even a good jungle doesn't seem as good as a colder neutral biome now.

2. Some clothing will decay if I clothe every body part.  I will need new clothing every 5 hours, which might mean two play sessions, if I say take a 5 hour break.  I really hadn't planned on that.  It also will slow my progress with other things.

3. My farm... my farm!  How in the world do I build a good house for my farm?!  Even if I put walls around my farm, which would limit it's size or require several walls, wood flooring simply won't work as well as the near perfect temperature jungle as before, I think, because the ratio of wood floored tiles to unfloored tiles will be small, especially in comparison to the ratio of my kitchen or smithy.  Farming can be relaxing in comparison to cooking or smithing, since there's no fire that will burn out on me if I don't plan things out well.

4. I will reiterate I built mosquito tombs.  So, now it's like any real jungle needs some walls for animal pens, for the smithy, for the kitchen, flooring for all of those AND tombs for the mosquitoes.  That means that jungles in general need more resources than other areas.  And it isn't like rubber can get used to make walls.

Thanks for your suggestions though.  I do appreciate your encouragement and you trying to help.