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I don't think that Tarr quite asserted that a reset would do nothing.

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17:02:37

These statements are not consistent.

I mean, if we had arc resets, Eve spawns would go back to around 0-0.  So, building a memorial on bs2  could get accomplished.  Also, crafting additional methman monuments would be possible.  At least if it's craftable, which I'm not so sure it is, since it says "UNCRAFTABLE" on onetech.info, even though it looks like there exist previous steps which make it also: https://onetech.info/4956-Additional-Me … ith-Chisel

O. K., since the early arc game doesn't exist at present, but since it is the most perfected part of the game, then it would be in the better interest of the developer to have resets happen monthly or bi-monthly.  That way people would experience the game at it's best more often, have better experiences, and maybe even tell people about the game more often.

The very words you use, fug, suggest that kaden is correct on the main point.

Kerosense?  Yes.  That seems encouraged, since getting it later can become problematic.  Trucks?  I don't know.  I did an oil well for tan Groots the other night with a rubber tire horsecart.  No truck.  Alright, I went to the same Groot family generations later the other day as a male white Spoon and Tuurd said that they had four or five trucks and offered me one after saying that he knew I wouldn't take it.  And traveling between families ends up taking time.  So, I'll give you that one.  Dumping trucks gets encouraged by races.  But clothes?  Clothes are first for function, then for fashion.

O. K., so what relevance does his bad behavior have to whether regular arc resets would help the game or not?  Honestly, to me it looks like you just want to try to refute his position, because of his bad behavior.  But just because someone is an asshole, that doesn't mean her (or his) argument is wrong!  Kaden isn't the first person who has suggested arc resets as potentially helpful.  Forman, frodo, paradoxal, some others, and myself have claimed such. 

Also, nope, you're wrong about them setting things back to zero.  They didn't erase any objects on the server.  There were new Eves for some races yes, but not all races at the same time.  Early game arc reset period doesn't involve only some Eve out in the wilderness who maybe starts a new location with the first tools, or goes and scavenges a dead town, or goes and resettles a dead town.  It involves all (or almost all) *families* rebuilding from scratch.  From nature.  From nothing.  From the ground up.  Your family has a loom?  Some ancestor of your family likely made it after someone else went out to get rubber supplies (or maybe the same person).  You have a rubber tire horsecart?  Probably someone in your family went out and got rubber supplies justly or unjustly with the help of another living family.

Maybe I could even answer your question more concisely as follows:

*Because such a person believes that trading or stealing or charity is better than scavenging or repurposing*.

During the early (arc) game ... that most perfected part of the game, scavenging and repurposing are out, or at least minimized.  Players trade or steal or engage in charity.

Also, I guess you think fug that an early arc spring tapout by an adjacent family is one of the most perfected parts of the game.  Well, I can't say it's forgettable in my experience.  But, I digress.

I logged in about 11:45 A. M. this morning.

Blacks, tans, and gingers all past generation 40.  Gingers and tans both started on Sunday also.  The Goths (not a family name) were generation 6, but they could have easily just walked to some other family and joined them, since that's what the real Goths did.

Did you really just ask for that?  *headdesk*

"Regarding your issue it's pretty simple, if you think about it how does that make sense to have in the same world a group that already is at the end of the techtree and another one that just started their first berry farm?

It's as if Europe was using electricity, cars etc and America just discovered fire or the opposite, even supposing that this scenario exist what do you think would happen?

Would it make sense with our current history or just in general?

Of course there's going to be issues because it doesn't make any sense.

And this problem will only get worse the more stuff is added to the game.

New cargo plane added! [emphasis in original]

Let me pack it up with with every important tech in the game plus large ammounts of found, find the nearest Eve camp using the latest localisation radar and boost them from small camp to advanced civilisation."

- Dodge

http://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewto … 20#p102620

"Awbz told me that in multiplayer Terraria someone would be throwing advanced objects at players at early stages.  His complaint was "you shouldn't be able to have/do things that early".  It wasn't so much that someone was doing that, but one couldn't get away from such players and still player multiplayer Terraria.  In OHOL players use rubber tire horsecarts, or trucks to throw clothes, wood, "specialty" foods, tools etc. at players living in camps on a shallow well or deep well.  I've seen this happen  Or even, if I recall correctly, a cart gets used for a site's resources before the family living there even has made a steel file.  Also, the game is advertised as being about rebuilding from scratch with others, which makes such situations contradictory to what it gets advertised as ..."

- Spoonwood from the same link.

Years later even, this was a fun read!

Do you recall Tarr if you were using Jason's client or Awbz mod?

You're welcome.

The game had some form of anarchy for a while.  There didn't exist allies, leaders, or posses.  Also, no possibility of running away before getting killed (no 'growl').  The result? 

Some people would get killed over trivial things.  You used some board to make a bucket, when someone else wanted to make (purely decorative) wood flooring?  Stab.  You had a backpack that someone else wanted?  Stab.  Killing over small matters, when anyone could do it, was not good. 

There also existed pein-style killing.  Someone like pein would believe someone doing the wrong thing.  Like watering too many berry bushes or the wrong berry bushes.  Stab. Maybe some of that could get justified.  But also, pein admitted he had a temper.  Hard to figure out when such killing made sense and didn't.  Then pein would get stabbed by some idiot also!  Yea, it didn't work out well.

Then there were the new players and they still something like "HOW KILL".  These days they mostly look funny and/or some experienced player kills them after getting exiled, or they give up on killing (which they should!) or go play something else, since this isn't a game about killing people just because killing exists in it.  It isn't a "kill or be killed" type of game.  It's a "multiplayer game of parenting and civilization building"  The new player saying "HOW KILL" was extremely far from playing consistently with such a concept.

Then there were new players who would figure out killing quickly.  You can see one in the video here at about 2:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuGrYoBzqOU  His cousin was just putting berries into a bowl.  And got shot dead.  The mother even predicted that would do such.  Those people didn't stop to think "huh... maybe I shouldn't try to kill for no reason in this game".  They just victimized their cousin trying to pick berries.  It was not a good experience trying to help out or do something and getting shot like that.

I also remember getting shot by my own daughter twice (and I mean playing with random people... playing low pop with friends is different.).  I think both times it was just me and her.  I remember seeing one making a bow, and I try to assume she plans to hunt a turkey.  Nope, I get shot dead.

And it wasn't like PvP games.  In PvP games, both players compete for some goal, and thus both have reason to kill.  But, in OHOL, it would usually be one person wants to kill without any in-game reason to do so.  And the other person doesn't want to kill, or would only kill for defensive purposes.  The first person has the goal of killing.  The second person has the goal of trying to make a better society or build stuff or parent or something constructive.

So, based on what I've seen, NO, anarchy would not be a good idea for this game.  It already had anarchy, and it was a bloody, boney mess.  And left plenty of *victims* who correctly felt unhappy with a game that didn't fit it's advertisement, because of jerks and idiots.

I do feel skeptical that democracy wouldn't work, because of the time issue.  Also, I don't know that democracy would work better.  I mean, genetic score tied to leadership, at least in general keeps out people who want basically want to victimize others, because they can.

I don't see any reason to change the current system, because it doesn't suffer from deficiencies.

And finally, anyone wanting something like the danger of the old days, can use '/unfollow' command at any age, refuse to run away if targeted, and thus they become as vulnerable as they were in the old days to getting shot when picking berries.

I would guess they were making it up, since Jason glasses/the default client doesn't have permanent identifications in game (there does exist a player's leaderboard which has a permanent identification though).

That said, if you use YumLife mod: https://github.com/selb/YumLife/releases, that has permanent identifications.  Names can get changed, but I think the id tag which initially comes as your identifier, won't change.

To imitate Tarr's style:

Change your work schedule so that you can play 4:00-12:00 A. M. EST (a little later even) when there's a new Eve spawn and/or a developing family/one before a diesel water pump. 
???
Profit.

Yea, that doesn't work.

Some more humor in response to this:

Make sprinklers and plow???

Alright, I just saw some on iamdox's stream.

Make radio telegraph too???  https://onehouronelife.fandom.com/wiki/Radio

Again, I'm joking.  Why oh why would you make the radio telegraph unless you play low pop, and/or make it, "because it exists" "because it's there" (and Jason if you're reading... do NOT try to fix the radio telegraph so it becomes useful.  There are plenty of more productive things to do than trying to make that thing useful.)

Apocalypse maker style:

"We need an apocalypse to reset the arc!  Then there will be new families, since the old ones will starve.  There will be linear town development too, since no one has anything!"

Yea, o. k.  But, after like 48 hours, there's almost surely a paved road, probably glass bottles, some trucks, and we're easily off of the initial oil pumpjack and onto oil wells (who likes the oil pumpjack as anything but a bootstrap anyways?).  And loom clothes started and up, if not now or soon getting transferred to the latest Eve camp also (trousers decaying would cause clutter... I remember basket decay and stuff spraying out everywhere).  Though, I remember playing after one arc, and it didn't completely feel like normal until a week or two into that arc, I do remember having some tan lady coming and visiting me as a black Eve with a horsecart like 2 days after the reset. 

Also, apocalypses reset tutorial areas.  The apocalypse is not a kind thing to do to a new player: http://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10919  So, no.  Not a good solution on two points.

Additionally, I don't recommend anyone lose sleep to try to do the apocalypse. 

My style:

Hey look, server1 is active!  http://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10912

Well, that did work.  For like 5 days or something when server1 was active.  No families made it through the unsplit/merge period, but honestly, I felt happy with it.  Some families made it start to finish and thus could claim that they succeeded!  And town development was linear too.  Then there weren't enough players to have players not checking a custom server split between bigserver2 and server1.  RIP

I made this post after the days playing on s1: http://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10917

But,

1. Jason would have to find that idea interesting.

2. He'd have to recode his entire server movement process (the current system has bugs). 

3. Some now vets like SoloAceMouse would also have to deal with a change.

What you quote from Jason holds true, but what you quote from Forman is not how the game always was.

In addition to the above example where server1 was active (and there were other times it has become active), it use to be that players could '/die' and become an Eve.  Also, advanced objects getting thrown at Eve camps ruining the possibility of linear town development didn't happen when I first played, or happened rarely.  When I played between the first oil update and The Come Together Disaster, there were plenty of developing towns not on a pump or diesel water pump.  Finding them was not rare, as I recall, and they were not difficult to find.  People would resettle old towns, as Tarr would probably point out.  But, players who wanted to get away from places like "Bell town" (there was a town that got referred to by that name on the forums years ago), had meaningful options.  Also, even in an old city like San-Cal people could form a suburb and basically play as if they were starting over from scratch.

Specifically, as a case in point, I remember there was an update that changed from the pond to well system to the spring system.  I think it got called "Pump Overhaul", since pumps didn't use to bust, and they got changed to bust (I still like this aspect of that update).  I wanted to see how the new system worked.  But, since wells would cluster instead of more like the current day one well in center of town style, I could easily spot resettled towns that week.  I would often get born into a town with two wells adjacent to each other or something, and thus knew that this place had gotten resettled.  But, if I /died a few times, I could easily go to a new style one well town/camp.  And I don't think I even became Eve a single time that week (he did an arc reset after that week).  I still managed to get to the new/developing, pre-diesel or just diesel water pump town easily.

If there were some change, could I do so today?  Only at certain times of the day.  If it all.  Plenty of families would likely resettle and not experiment with some new water system.  So, definitely not; the game has not always worked that way.  The point of the game is not "being FORCED TO START AT THE //END// OF THE GAME //EVERY// TIME".

Jason made objects decay at one point when they hadn't previously, and if I recall correctly, commented on rebuilding from scratch.

The advertisement on steam says:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/5956 … _One_Life/

It doesn't say "help rebuild civilization from the end of civilization."

It says "from scratch".

Edit: I don't think "from scratch" has to mean from Eve or Eve's daughters.  A town can be deep well, or on a pump and the family still be building from scratch possibly.  A family can even still be 200 generations in and be rebuilding from scratch if you ask me, if they developed linearly.  But, if they get all sorts of loom clothes, an engine, and more even (I mean some of those things are even understandably scavenged... do players really want to make more buckets and get rubber supplies for every new family?), it just isn't rebuilding from scratch.  And resettling dead towns, even if wise, isn't rebuilding from scratch.  It ends up more like loading someone else's save file... even if that save file seems pleasant.