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I don't like the looks of pit pens, but I have to agree with pein here, fenced pens are too labour intensive, and too easy to ruin. I literally spent a lifetime making a 3x3 fenced pen. I might not have been super efficient but still, if I just dug a few holes and filed the corners up, I'd be done in way less time.

More on topic though, I wish we could set up a system like that, but currently food production is not centralized enough for it to work. If you don't make the pies available to everyone, they'll just munch on the berries or carrots, and you'll just sit inside your bakery wondering where everyone is, and why you aren't delievered any ingredients.

To clear that up first, floors give 0.1 insulation, which affects how the heat spreads. Basically when calculating where the heat goes it takes into account how much insulation neighbouring tiles have. A tile with 1 insulation has no heat transfer in or out, the only heat that is there is the heat produced on that tile (players, desert tiles and fires produce heat).

Alright now the test.

You have an adobe room with 3x3 internal space, with wooden floors around a central fire.

1.) you are standing in the upper left corner, naked, and you get 0.229 heat.

2.) you are standing above the fire, naked, and you get 0.306 heat.

3.) you are standing in the same tile as the fire, naked, and you get 0.666 heat.

Now we remove the room and and floors.

4.) diagonally up and to the left of the fire, naked, you get 0.208 heat.

5.) above the fire, naked, you get 0.266 heat.

6.) in the same tile as fire, naked, you get 0.554 heat.

The room apparently makes the tiles around the fire marginaly better, while it makes the fire itself too hot.

I've also now tested it in the best clothes you can get (wolf hat, rabbit fur loincloth, rabbit fur shoes, sealskin coat), which gives you an insulation off 0.88 total.

If you stand on top of the fire in the corner of a 3x3 adobe room, you get 1 heat (max).

If you stand in the middle of such a room you have 0.39 heat, which is not bad, but you'd think you'd be burning up in full fur clothing inside a heated room, yet you're not even comfortably warm.

If you stand in a corner opposite to the fire, you'd have a heat of 0.38. Again, not bad but as far as realism goes it makes no sense.

For someone in full gear a desert tile hidden under a floor is a great starvation zone. The insulations add up, so in full gear on top of a wooden floor you have 0.98 insulation, so you keep all the heat that's produced on that tile pretty much. A desert tile produces heat, so that hidden desert gives someone in gear max heat, and is essentially worse than standing naked in snow.

Haven't played since the update, but according to this Crafting reference, shallow well now contains 9 water, deep well now contains 9 water and regens every 2 minutes, compared to 5 before. Also dry wells refill with normal timers.

I'm pretty sure jason said somewhere that "area effects" are not something that is viable in this simulation. I might have just missunderstood what he said, so don't quote me on that. Design wise I think the shallow well should essentially be a pond you can place wherever you like. It should have low capacity and refill slowly. The deep well should then be a noticable step-up. There are many ways to do that, and I think what I explained above would succeed in making the deep well more than just a shallow well with more capacity. My thinking is that the higher tech should be straight up better, but require a barrier of entry - buckets in this case.

Similarly once pumps roll out, I don't think they should just be the same as wells, but with x capacity. There should be a trick to their use, like maybe one person has to pump it, so the other can fill up containers. Just some barrier of entry that will make building a pump right from the get-go a sub-optimal choice.

These kind of specifics would really come down to the balancing. I just wanted to put the idea out there.

What I was thinking was that you could fill up bowls and pouches with the bucket and vice-versa. You just couldn't use the bucket directly to do actions such as watering crops or making dough and such.

The reason I think this would make cistern more viable is that, while you could make 4 buckets and leave them sitting by the well or put them onto a cart once you filled them up, you could have a cistern nearby and use the same bucket over and over, while waiting for the well to refill. Ofcourse you could put 4 full buckets onto a cart and have a superior portable cistern, but I always thought cistern holds to little water, and making a cart and 4 buckets is pretty resource intensive, compared to a cistern and bucket.

For the ropes, I was thinking the way wells are made now is fine. There's obviously a rope on the deep well sprite, and it doesn't explicitly require a rope in the construction, so I guess it's the rope from bucket construction.

That's part of my idea, sorry if that wasn't clear enough. You'd make the bucket hold more water, 3 portions maybe, so it's an alternative to basket+3 pouches. The downside of the bucket would then be that maybe you couldn't use the water from it directly; as in, you can fill pouches or bowls with it, but you can't water things with bucket or put it into bowl of flour to make dough. That kind of thing.

In my mind I was kinda thinking 3 portions all along, so it'd make pulling it out of well worthwhile, while also not making it obviously better than a basket with 3 pouches inside.

You can wear a seal pelt, it will give you no insulation though. I guess it's just for carrying the thing around.

As for the stacking functionality, I'd love to have it. Only for storing though, since the way the game seems designed, being able to carry stacks of stuff would be OP. I'd just love to have a mound of carrot seeds near the farm. It's just crazy that a singe seed pod would take up an entire square meter of space...

Yep, it does. By my calculations it's not major, but my calculations could be off.

Standing naked in a 3x3 adobe room with wooden floors, diagonally across from a slow fire, will give you a heat of 0.157. Standing outside the same distance away from a slow fire, that would be 0.139. Funnily enough, because of the way insulation works, and because the floors insulate, your corner of the room would have been warmer without the floors, having 0.187 heat in that situation.

If you're standing at the slow fire outside, you'd have a heat of 0.55 which is close to ideal. If you then build a 3x3 room with floors around the fire you get a heat of 0.66, or 0.62 without the floors.

I guess it's important to note that building floors around a fire will make the fire hotter, and the tiles outside the flooring cooler. It just kinda contains heat where the insulation is, which is why clothing is great untill you stand near a fire or in a desert. In that situation it just traps all the heat produced on that tile, inside the tile, and consequently - you.

I was kinda thinking a full fur set would get you pretty comfortable in a temperate forest climate.

For an average human there isn't a vast difference between 20°C and 22°C, but between 14°C and 16°C might be the difference between me deciding to take a light jacket or none at all. I'm thinking a non-linear relationship between heat and food consumption might better fit both reality, and make clothing more usefull.

A bell curve would give you a nice central region of "optimal" temperatures, where the change between comfortably warm and "best friggin temperature ever" isn't as great, and also on the edges where you can't really tell if you're  just very cold or freezing, conversely really hot or burning up).

And a quadratic fitted to have a minimum consumption at ideal temperature would have a similar effect near the ideal temperature, but give you more extreme consumptions in the extreme heat regions.

Completely agree with you. I wish I had more time, so I could teach someone something. I did teach a few people how to make pies and such, but honestly the majority of learning in my games happen when the village is so far advanced that there isn't really anything else to do, or when the village is doomed.

Some of the most genuine learning moments happened when there weren't any women in town and we were just waiting to die out, which I think shows a problem in the game's pacing.

Just had a game today where I spawned as Eve, and between finding a good spot, keeping myself alive and trying to climb up the tech tree, there's literally no time for teaching. Heck, I couldn't even keep my kids alive. Couldn't teach them where to find food, or how to help me start up the farm ar anything really... Died old and alone...