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DaTrüf! wrote:+rep was lieing to be on his good side
Im not lying to be on my good side. I just didn't want you to be exposed and make this matter transparent. I have always thought of you as an online friend but you made me change my mind.
+rep was lieing to be on his good side
You are incapable of posting without insulting people. You call the community repulsive in this very post. I tried to engage with you last time and you shit all over me. You spam every post Jason makes with "wipe my curse score". You are a dick.
Stop being a dick.
you were the one who esculated the situation so..... im not sorry for anything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There is no strait forward, 'griefing' apology I need to make
There is no apology to make, because I am no griefer. Yes, along the way I did come in contact with griefers, though in the mutual understanding that I'm with them for making the Apocalypse to happen. Yes, along the way I did 'greif' with them, though I made it with the sole ideal of making a post about it. When I was told from Toxic and a lesser known griefer named 'fizzy' that I couldnt make a post about it, I didnt make the post. I still have the screen shots, revealing the griefing tactics, I could make the post, though as of now I still dont have the permission. Why not just release those screen shots? That would jeopardize the chance of me playing with those people ever again. Now, that Toxic and I have this feud, I could post anything relating to him at this point. Yes, Fizzy does have the account info to one of my accounts. Yes he does grief on it, though he's a major help in starting apoc towers happen - when the apoc is needed. So because that concerns him, I've decided as of now, I still wont make the post.
What I'm sorry about
1. I'm sorry about the time of when I was experiencing with the content of the the pitbull post, and other minor 'griefing' tactics I was trying out to really shift the griefer player base to large towns other than eve camps, like the ones I would play in.
2. I'm sorry for when I was convinced by Toxic and Fizzy of griefing several towns on one accation. I said to myself, 'I could write a post on a griefing tactic to expose to the community on how to prevent it'. Though, again, after playing several lives in several towns, I was told by Fizzy and Toxic that they didnt want me to write the post and reveal the griefing tactic because of how they liked the tactic.
3. I'm also sorry for taking up so much 'attention' and what not regarding this, though all what I will say is that I continue to talk about this issue is, (well because were talking about myself, and things regarding me) because the community keeps brining this up.
I'm not sorry that Fizzy has my account info to and what he does on that account. I do guess that I take some level of responsibility for what he does, though that doesnt mean that I have to take 100% of the responsibility.
I'm also not necessarily trying to shift much of any blame on the community either. Its a good thing that the community is strongly aganst griefers, and how persistent they are in trying to go after them. All what I'm trying to say is that, you guys are going after the wrong target. Matter of fact I give strong credit to Tarr for what efforts he's done into connecting griefing live's to me, amazing job!....Though its all, really, fizzy...
No, I'm not an Adolfo Cultiist
I say things because they are funny, and I found it redicuously funny - and still do, matter of fact - of how repulsive this community is to what I say. I'm not affected in much of any way by making this post, I don't use the eve name 'eve datri' anymore (that backfired), which was my primary issue, but now that I have been using different eve names, what you guys do doesnt affect me at all! I could go around saying to the community that 'YES! I'm A GRIEFER!!!', but I dont. Proclaiming my innocence, or even guilt, doesnt affect me, personally, in any which way. I personally choosing to take my personal time, and adress your issues aganst me, with no substantial benefit.
PS
To make clear for the 1000th time, I dont believe much of anything I said in the pitbull post, what so ever. Not the 'helping the eves' thing - nothing. Again, I wrote the post to have griefers grief big towns, not eve towns, the place where I usually play. Its becoming more and more clear to me that people didnt read the post on why I wrote the pitbull post. It was all an act people, all an act.....
If I really were a griefer people, question the very people I play with, Walrus, or Oreo, for example, they are not griefers.
PPS
btw, regarding truzkawa, legit Fizzy messaged me about how he griefed this town, and sent me screen shots of the town, and I looked over at #general in the official OHOL discord server, and there it is! truzkawa complaining about this griefer. I said I was in the town, just for fun (I didnt want to say I was the griefer, that would cause a hell storm) , and said a name, because fizzy takes forever to respond and I had to say a name in time, so I just said 'Alice Star'. None the less, truzkawa was extremely familiar with that town, and began questioning me, to see if I were the griefer. Fizzy doesnt tell me all the information of things that he does, and so I just said things on the spot, which were, in deed wrong. Speculation game about to really see if I was the actual person who was griefing the town, and it turns out, the person who was griefing had the same email hash as me! Again, Fizzy shares an account with me.... Just found the incident funny lol.
Unlike you, Toxic is less annoying and even If his apology isn't sincere I'd much rather met him ingame, because you are just a pain in the ass whenever I met you.
Youve been exposed many times for griefing, and dont have anything meaningful to add to the conversation other than stupid bait "I dont greif guise".
Sending you back into donkey town and killing you whenever I twin with tarr is fun, but youre still pathetic and Im happy the community makes fun of you.
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we do not feel the slightest guilt harassing things like you datruf
neither do I feel the slightest guilt of 'harassing' Toxic
Nobody cares detruff, It's harassment at this point.
The fact you aren't banned from here is amazing. Lax mods much.
Its harassment attacking me on these threads.....
though toxic still sucks tho
Why are you trying to oppose someone who's actually trying to be good again?
Ah I see you are scared that your best greife buddy is turning good and your conscience might turn you around. Also because you dont have a greifeing partner now lol.
One's greatest eneime is oneself
Im more opposing the community than toxic
Used to be 19 curse scores
Now is: 18.9
This is a historic moment - God forgives anyone who wants to be forgived, like at the end of The Mission.
Atta boi Toxic, maybe you can take your mask off now?
you kinda sound hypocritical .....


btw he banned me from his griefing discord server
Idea: Set a timer between each life.
like if you die, and want to be reborn, you have to wait a bit
I bet the time that he was playing regularly and got griefed it was from me
wipe.
my.
curse.
score(s).
JASON WIPE MY CURSE SCORE
btw im not a griefer
once a griefer allways a griefer
+rep wont grief with me
Regarding property fences, are you experiencing a bunch of major problems with hoarding?
no
I've been doing this for 15 years.
I've been interacting with "my community" pretty heavily and regularly for the last 9 or so years.
But something has definitely changed over time.
Back in 2014, with The Castle Doctrine, the was a large community of players that was deeply invested in the game, and on board with all kinds of experiments that I undertook in order to make the game better. The same was true with Cordial Minuet, for the most part.
On the surface, these communities looked and functioned pretty much just like this community. I'd post ideas for how to fix and improve the game, and we'd discuss them, and people would help me find holes in my ideas, and I'd implement the best ideas, and then people would play, and discuss how the changes affected the play. And The Castle Doctrine (as an example), just kept getting better and better and better as a result of this process.
Much the same way that OHOL just keeps getting better and better over time, as a result of this process. Plenty of bumps along the way, of course, but overall a way better and more interesting and complex and stable and performant game than it was a year ago.
(And of course, OHOL is a much better and more fascinating game than The Castle Doctrine, and a gargantuan technical achievement, by comparison).
So what's changed?
The tenor of the discussion. The rush to judgement. The amount of complaining. The amount of personal attacks. The amount of entitlement from the playerbase. The review bombing, etc.
And this is not just my experience. It's the common experience of every developer who interacts with a player community.
Here's a whole article written about it, albeit with much worse reactions than the ones I get (so I guess I should count myself as lucky):
https://medium.com/@morganjaffit/the-co … 9cc5cc8728
Well, to be fair, I have been doxed, and there were people around earlier who were really mad at me about certain changes and were hurling profanity at me. It's just not that common.
I'm more talking about the general tone of negativity---from players who apparently love the game, given how much they play it and talk about it. For example, calling the result of a week's worth of deep community discussion and 24+ hours of solid coding a gimmick.
As far as I can tell, I'm doing a way better job, as a developer, than I've ever done before. And I don't see tons of examples of developers who are doing much better jobs than me... who update their game as frequently and as deeply. Who are making games that are as practically-bug-free (really!) as OHOL (a list of 30 bugs, or 90 bugs, is really as short list, for a game of this complexity).
Obviously, if it bothered me too terribly, I'd have given up long ago. But I am interested in the general phenomenon, and where it's coming from, and why it has changed.
I feel like it might be a generational thing, because the players who played TCD back in the day have all aged out, and moved on to other things in their lives.
keep it up Jason
......btw wipe my curse scores