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In order to get to a big town state, you need a lot of water. The most amazing spots I've had as an Eve had a scattered desert that is mixed with a swamp, making ponds spawn in and out of desert tiles. The more ponds around, the better. You can never have too many. I played a life with a newbie Eve (Eve Flo) as her daughter Rose; she had the desert thing down and a nearby savanna filled with rabbits, but there was just two ponds around AND a bear cave on the left and a boar on the right. I told her this is too dry and set up a camp further away, but sadly the snake was too much and the lineage died few generations later.

So;
- many ponds
- preferrably no nearby snakes or bear caves, boars and wolves aren't too bad (bows and arrows to kill, only one arrow needed)
Biomes:
- grass biome nearby, only if it has lots of milkweed, maples and berries (if it has less than three bushes and little to no trees, it's not gonna help)
- desert next to swamp (farms at the edge of the desert or on mixed tiles; just to keep farmer kids warm), ponds should be visible from the farm - bunch of cacti is a big help, some towns live on cacti instead of berries
- savannah for bunnies; the closer the better
- badlands can be further, iron vein is a huge help
- no snow nearby, fishing (salt water ponds) is not that great

Lets see what jungle brings in.

Anyways usually camps have to compromise and get something good while lacking something good. Like warmth at the cost of nearby bunnies for example. Or having to settle on a swamp to get an ocean of ponds. As an Eve, I rather die than set up on "not ideal" spot. Many times I find the perfect place at the end of my life, make the camp, die to Old Age with no kids and hope I get to respawn there, or that someone else does (Eves that die to Old Age can spawn back to their old home markers and a death can trigger a location for an Eve to spawn).

Lol, love it. She even looks like she is whistling like "dooptie doo nothing to see here..."

I still want to believe something is preventing the items and tiles from refreshing themselves visually so we see empty berry bushes, touch them and they refresh for you so you see how they really are. That's my best guess for now. Otherwise that's a crazy bug.

I still simply suffer with finding ore or veins. No matter how long and where I run, I see nothing or like 1 ground ore. I'm at the brink of going omelette city here and leave farming for good. If I had a horse cart I wouldn't complain (this bad) but...
To get a horse, you need sheep (saddle). To get a saddle, you need sheep and shears. To get shears, you need 5 ores (hammer, chisel, file, two blades). Then pickaxe and stanchion kit.

And yes Eve camps... looking for iron isn't that fun. Making it take more time won't make it more fun. I'd rather have a processing system for iron than run around in the wilderness for 20 minutes for it. I just feel like this is a cheap way to add challenge and it is not a fun challenge at all. It's too luck based to be a good challenge.

I still think ground ore was fine as it was before and veins should be different. If it was changed so mines have to be dug deeper for more iron, that'd have been much better. Number of veins and their depth would limit cities without limiting Eve camps.

Sure, unless the stone walls were for a sheep pen! There has been some amazing ancient stone wall sheep pens in cities.
But yeah, sounds familiar. The newbie blindness is real! And the struggle is real.

Why didn't you make the pen firstttt? Isn't that a normal thing to do before hunting mouflons?

Anyways if the tasks were survival related, the competent players may have been carrying. Sometimes you have to spend time carrying the town to make time windows for teaching.
I was in a sheepless, penless newbie town just now, I wonder if you were there. There was a boy planting milkweed in silence, could've been for a moufflon bow perhaps? I was making wooden floors to border a berry farm, I did teach as I went.

Mmh, it's fun if you have time to teach. But it's not that fun when the veteran to newbie ratio is 12 to 1 in the town and you are the lone veteran fighting an uphill battle.
Just had a life like that, tried to carry so hard, and teach too. It's not always rewarding.
As a cherry on top, two newbies were racist towards me (was the darkest skinned guy, figures). Yay. Enjoy my pies.

Well, at least this won't go on forever.

Goodness, what a sight. Berry town sounds like a happy place, but little did the newbies know...

Yeah, it's a clear bottleneck what happens when newbies only know berries. Compost will eventually cut off and population booms caused by moms who keep everyone will end a town. Add dry wells to that and it's a dead end.

It's not really anyone's fault, everyone is thinking they are doing a good thing. It's just not so clear when to leave your comfort zone as a newbie; how could you know that "now's the time to learn to compost" when you don't even know compost exists?

Well, it will go up from here. Slowly, but it will. Players who want to learn, stay.

Yeah, for the longest time ever I saw a mom tell her baby "we are berry farmers". I was like, "oh yeah I remember this happening". Which is funny as I haven't played for that long, few months.

It seems that I experience a berry famine every life now. In my latest life, I cooked omelettes when I saw the famine approach. Sadly the town was dry, most ponds had been converted to wells (dry) and a man was shooting geese in the wilderness around the town. I ran far to get eggs (thank goodness Tarr gave me a backpack) and I had to restart the omelette fire twice due to the long distances. Then someone burnt an omelette even when I had left a plate there. I went to make pies and told a toddler to watch (she walked around saying she is dumb).
The biggest issue in that village was a surprising one. We had one knife afaik, and it was on a new player, a trapper man who didn't kill sheep for us (the pen was tiny). He told me he had made more sheep, and there were three woolly sheep and a moufflon sitting staticly in the pen. I asked him to slaughter them so I get mutton to fry or put in pies, but he was super hesitant over my request. When he did kill them, he didn't slice them up for me before I told him to. So yeah having the knife on a newbie can be a death sentence for a town, too.
I wish I had noticed the pen issue earlier. I delivered water when newbies couldn't find it; this probably made them rely on berries even more, even if it made them survive a bit longer.

In a way it's relieving to see a berry famine happen, it's a natural purge. I know that things will quiet a bit.

Yeahh. It's easy to just say "farm berries" to newbies to make them busy. I kinda wish the tutorial would have shown a pie or something but yeah, some responsibility is with us so we must take initiative to lead newbies to other food sources.

Today when you passed away as Eve Tarr, I was left spreading omelettes around (I was Simra or something like that). I visited the berry farm, and oh boy, the newbies were furiously expanding it, leaving no space for bowls or buckets, spreading through the unfinished wooden floors like a leaking river of green, towards the bakery. Hoes broke left and right, the land being devoured by berry bushes, leaving tiles of lone wooden floor, once supposed to act as walls to stop this. I died to Old Age, but at least the bushes were still tended to and bearing berries. Poor stew farm. It never stood a chance. At least a quiet kind lady kept it going, small as it was.

Why didn't you just say that in the title then? "What is a griefer in your opinion and why we don't want them" or something along these lines? Very easy to get the point if you phrase it like that.

Quoting my post; that's what a griefer is no matter what people want to believe it means. Some people use the term however they please but it doesn't change the fact that this is what a griefer is.

We have had a thread like that here in forums and from that I learned that people use it for many different cases; wrong accusations oftentimes. And there is no accidental griefing in my books. That's just "making mistakes", not griefing. If I call you a griefer, you have sabotaged me and my team with malicious intent, just to sabotage us. Take away malicious intent and it's just you making a mistake that hinders me and my team. Or you having different opinions in farming or such. There is enough room for you to build your society and for me to build mine.
People are great at accusing others and bad at reality checks, people should read what "griefer" means before throwing the term around. And yes, people have misconceptions over each other, sometimes someone truly seems like a griefer while they may have been new. It happens.
I have been killed with false accusations: was smithing a hoe for my milkweed/carrot farm, someone broke a kiln, a lady ran in, screaming it was me, that "I had a shovel" (I had a hoe, but I dunno how to break kilns), then few years later she walks up to me as I gather stuff at the edges of the town and stabs me, still blaming me over a broken kiln. To her, I was a griefer, but if she had done some shadowing, she would've learnt otherwise. Mistakes are made. Nobody was a griefer in this case, unless the lady blaming me had malicious intent to frame me. I had no hard feelings, I was just disappointed and hoped she wasn't at least framing me, but making an honest misconception over me.

The cycle will never end. People will always make hasty judgements over each other. And people will always throw around terms like griefer or troll without checking what that truly means. People will always experience things differently which may cause them to accuse others falsely.
We must expose griefers to each other in-game to avoid getting killed ourselves. We must be shadowing suspicious players and talk about them so when we deliver a shot or stab, people know what's going on. I think outside of the game the griefers are eager to expose themselves to us, making posts about it. But to me that's not a celebrity thing that we talk about them to each other, that's just making each other aware and learning the tricks so we can cut down their damage.
Sure, some people make a great effort to go their way to trash talk to a griefer, but hey, they probably have experienced something really nasty because of a griefer, so to them it feels like someone getting a taste of their own medicine. My gen 8 line was killed off by a griefer (not a big city nor a long family tree, so why do such?), who talked about it in his last words, rubbing it in; that's simply nasty, and it pleases me to hear how they suffer in Donkey Town. They should try suffering too, it sucks, maybe they could learn some empathy? But yeah I am a human after all, not a saint.
Drama, I still dislike that. But I can say that the best drama is making a team effort against dangers (I dislike other players acting as dangers, a "meh" from me to that) while rollercoastering through ups and downs on the way. Bad drama is the whole "child rape/molestation" talk while you spew racist slurs and hide bowls while people stab and shoot at each other in confusion. Effff that. Bad drama is when people are sucked into it and suffer because of it, good drama is when people come together to survive through it and enjoy the challenges.

Overall, there is no sympathy towards griefers from me, but there is sympathy towards falsely accused players.
There is no accidental griefing.
There is a lot of misconceptions and bad communication.
There are a lot of hasty people who judge others in a rash manner.
There is a lot of misuse of the terms such as "griefer".
There is good drama and bad drama.
There are people who are out to ruin others' game with malicious intent.
There are people who seem like they are ruining others' game with malicious intent when they weren't.
People won't change, we will always have a cycle of misunderstanding.

Hah, nice. Good call, gathering newbies in a berry farm. "Come along, my berry-munching sheep!"
I taught some pie stuff to few newbies today, they were so excited about it.
I wonder if you made the farming structure in one "city" with wooden planks laid around the place, bordering nice sized farms for stew, berries and other stuff. The farm yards seemed to have a very systematical order and were never expanded, while the wooden floors were kept tidy and worked well as pathways.

I always wondered if we could ever get this sort of "everyone has their small garden to tend for" world, so instead of a community berry farm, we could have smaller ones around the cities and tend to them when needed. Maybe it's not as functional as it sounds, but I'd rather see berries as something less common to eat in big towns and cities, like it is in real world. Berries are not our lunch.

Yep, I cut a bread in an intersection of roads next to a berry farm today. Saw newbies store slices in their aprons or backpacks, it was nice. Does the dough still rise if you leave one piece in the bowl for bread or was that changed?

Yeah, I think the tutorial is partly to blame in this as it just shows you berries, right? Berries are a start, yeah, but it does make newbies cling onto them more, dying to the first berry drought. I was witnessing it today. I died to old age before managing to direct the people to the stew, pies and omelettes around them. I fed some adults who were saying "My food bar is low" "I need food" "Food??", saved probably like five newbies from starving.

Yes, this is the thing, there is a good size of a berry farm per camp, town or city. Expanding to a huge farm when it's not needed can end with people running out of soil. And when it's huge, if everyone just eats and nobody keeps it up as "it's so huge it won't run out soon", at some point you walk into a languishing field of berries with dry wells everywhere. Sometimes a composter has died and all newbies have wandered off to try other things, and suddenly there is no soil and nobody taking care of berries.

Yeppers! Give them huge berry farms and tend to them, and notice how nobody moves out on better recipes! Then see them fall, as the huge farm runs out of soil or tending people, with population keeping the booms ongoing.

Yes, popcorn and some corn fields could be a good way to introduce foods to newbies. A newbie was very excited over popcorn when I showed them it today. Also keeps them focusing on some fire tending too. Otherwise a very fun and simple food to teach!
And yeah, many newbies can't understand the soil part of berry tending, understandably it can be odd as the logic is "just add water right?".