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#651 Re: Main Forum » Eve summoning » 2018-09-29 14:59:38

Remember to live to 60, people. It seems that Eves will be spawning where people have died at 60, in addition to spawning to their own old home markers.

Anyways I'm still with the party that wishes males would be just as necessary as females, but then lineages would probably die just double as fast as they do now, heh. But at least we have Eves.

#652 Re: Main Forum » Hey lets make an abbreviated code language for kids :D » 2018-09-28 11:02:13

I wish I could memorize these quickly. Although most peeps will probably go like "wut" if I gurgle these out. big_smile Sometimes it's so frustrating to have the speech limitation, you have so much time to talk as a baby growing to a child..

#653 Re: Main Forum » Improvements in statistics since the last update » 2018-09-28 10:58:25

I hope it's the Donkey Town working its magic.

I have had a lot of disconnecting and suiciding babies though, people are very picky where they want to live. Does closing the game cause the death to be a disconnection?

#654 Re: Main Forum » Meanwhile in donkey town » 2018-09-27 05:09:14

GreatShawn wrote:

Dude, I'm asian, and you whites just keep treating asians like sh**

My heart bleeds every time someone generalizes "Whites". As a Northern European, it really bothers me.

#655 Re: Main Forum » Pet Peeves? » 2018-09-25 05:02:16

New pet peeve I realized I had yesterday:

People cutting down your domestic saplings without harvesting plantable sapling pieces nor planting back any saplings.

People harvesting and using milkweed you planted without leaving any seeds nor planting a new row.

People, if you got your resources by just having them there by someone else's work, at least return the favor and plant them back. The least you should do is leave as many seeds as you harvested the plants.

#656 Re: Main Forum » Enjoy my egg son » 2018-09-24 09:35:59

I also had no idea what it was about, suspecting it was a post saying that someone wishes the eggs they made will keep their son alive. big_smile
But I did enjoy your egg son very much.

#657 Re: Main Forum » Can we change recipe for pine panel? » 2018-09-24 09:32:55

Wow, I saw some pine structures in one life, I thought they were a new addition. :'D
That's ridiculous though, crazy costly. I hope masonry becomes better and like an actual profession in the near future.

#658 Re: Main Forum » New player, loving the game » 2018-09-24 09:20:00

ShadouFireborn wrote:

Probably not, since I only started the game last night. I've been loving it, though. Mostly. I did get to see three murders in three lives in less than an hour and a half earlier today. That was a little disheartening to see. I don't know if it was three different murderers, or the same person that was simply getting into the same towns as me and murdering. It's a little disheartening to think that there are people that play this game that will grief and murder and otherwise just ruin things for no other reason than to destroy.

It's easier to destroy than it is to create. These people are destroying the work of generations, just because they can. One person can, in a matter of minutes, destroy what has taken dozens of people hours to build. And they don't see anything wrong with it. They like to do it even. They fiercely defend their right to destroy. They'll do whatever it takes to get around any measures in place to prevent them from doing so.

It's a rather sad statement about human nature, and what we're willing to do... even eager to do... when there are no real consequences to our actions.

Ah I see! Well I hope to bump into you one day. big_smile

Yes, another thing is that you can craft in ways that are detrimental to the town, such as making ropes from threads that were needed for something else, or making lassoes out of ropes which were needed for something else. Griefing is very easy in crafting games as there are overlaps in recipes, depleted resources and limitations which can lead to dead ends. Often new things that are added make way for terrible griefing opportunities so be ready to pause your gaming around problematic updates. big_smile

Remember to curse bad guys. Just say "Curse John Johnson II" for example. Be careful to write it correctly and use the correct number if they had some (the second, the third, etc.). We just got an update week or so ago where you are banished to play 'alone' if enough people curse you. This way the normal players get some peace from the griefers. If someone is murdered, they get a "lineage ban" to the family who murdered them. It's a double edged sword but it can ban griefers from entering the line again. But if a town has like three different families, a lineage ban can be bypassed by being born to the other families in the same town. Also twins, triplets and quadruplets seem to be able to bypass lineage bans too.

#659 Re: Main Forum » Simply Rain » 2018-09-24 04:58:25

helloworld wrote:

and being an eve is not hard, if you think being eve or this game is hard in terms of survival. you have not played enough.

Well I've played only 5 or so Eve lives without being born to a town and those have been the hardest lives always. Unless I starved all of my kids... it's always a struggle as you may not spawn veteran players to help you.

Anyways not feeling the rain at this stage of the game. It's painfully slow to get to buildings and such. And deserts would become even better with less chance of floods or continuous rain.

I'd say we need oil and such for fires that can last in rain, more shelter options and easier clothing first before adding such an element to the game. Otherwise people would have to sit indoors or freeze outside while it rains, and many years from your lives could be "lost" to rain. People would fight for clothes.

#660 Re: Main Forum » How many food items are in game? » 2018-09-24 04:50:33

UnnoticedShadow wrote:

But this post creator is banned anyways, shame her last post was actually productive.

Well, I'm 90% sure they wanted to know about this in order to get lots of Yum bonus so they could stab people without having to eat or worry about starving.
I think my chara lived to Old Age with Yum 14 and just few pieces of pie after obtaining that level of Yum bonus.

#661 Re: Main Forum » Reminder to new players about cows » 2018-09-23 18:10:28

Good read, I actually haven't done much with cows myself (only helped getting a bison), so it was good to have this check-in on how to deal with them, thank you. Can the domestic bisons be killed like a wild bison? And I think the tiny one tile bison pen is still the ideal way to "store" the bison without littering the area with dead calves, right?
If you drink some milk from a bucket, will it not separate anymore? Like when it's partial bucket of milk?

Btw that name in you sig, Cotton Dragon, it's somehow just adorable.

#662 Re: Main Forum » How Murder Ruins a Lineage » 2018-09-23 17:04:03

Wasn't Eve stuff changed though? In addition to spawning to their old towns, Eves now have high chance of spawning into any city and civilization if they just died of Old Age. I know I have spawned into some other Eve's town as an Eve after just dying to Old Age in my last Eve life. So other Eves are constantly reviving other Eves' towns?

Would explain why so many cities have like three families living in them.

#663 Re: Main Forum » I TARRminated a town today ! :D » 2018-09-23 16:57:42

Superfun2 wrote:

I actually never said that i was lotus..... Soo

I hope so. I did hear the old lady, but who knows what was going on there. *shrug*

Anyways, tactics like that equals dead towns, and the more naive a player is, the newer they are. Looking around the town, we had little to no veterans, and I think the best guards had died before I died and before the killings started. I gave my arrows to a young lady, but she seemed new, too. I think the amount of new players has been high for the past weeks so wiping out populations like that is not surprising.

#664 Re: Main Forum » Griefing, what are the ‘laws’ of OHOL » 2018-09-23 16:50:30

NoraRose86 wrote:

I agree, I think a lot may be unintentional. That’s why warning or explaining is a good idea instead of just killing straight off. But then again, if it’s an actual troll, that just gives them more time to grief.

Yupp, it's not too easy to differentiate an actual newbie and a griefer/troll playing a role of a newbie. Sometimes you may notice it from the way they move or talk, but surely in many cases some observing could help. Especially if you have zoom out mods, you could hover over some suspicious players for a while, it's worth the time.

I got murdered in a very "straight off" manner just yesterday. A very loud player repeated that I destroyed a kiln in the center of the town. I didn't ofc, I was smithing and had a baby in the midst of it, but she insisted she saw me destroy one of the kilns; I actually don't even know how to, probably with a shovel? I had a hoe or a baby in my hands most of the time there (I had to smith a hoe for my carrot and milkweed farm). I went off with my hoe to continue farming. As I waited for the harvest, I went to gather clay around the edges of the town, finding a needle and thread too. I was going to make new bowls for the place when she ran up to me and stabbed me, still going on about me destroying the kiln (nothing else, still just that). Another villager witnessed this and was very confused, I just cursed the trigger-happy loudmouth and didn't even try to save myself by running to a hospital; I thought, "eh, I'm gonna go live somewhere else then".
If only she had spent a liiiittle bit of time watching over me... I did think that maybe they were an actual griefer trying to cause drama and blame so they can kill people, I was a fertile 23 year old ginger lady after all. Overall their reasoning was ridiculous anyways, though, one kiln? I could've built the kiln with the clay I had gathered if needed (we had 3 kilns, only one got broken).
Chikaima was innocent, may you know that, German Alegre.

#665 Re: Main Forum » I TARRminated a town today ! :D » 2018-09-23 16:33:00

NoraRose86 wrote:

Honestly, in a village there are a few good workers and then you have several other who are lazy. Usually the ones poping out babies and just eating. So you killing isn’t totally unwarranted. But how do you destroy an entire village? The bigger ones would be really hard.

I saw this person in the life where they were Melissa Furry, this is what I heard and saw before I died of old age:
she spawned in and asked around for a knife as a child, telling others she wants to be a shepherd. That's how she got her knife afaik. She "mourned" at some grave of an earlier hero of the town and got a crown at an early age. As an adult, she started to scream around how there were twins griefing as they had "stolen a crown" and tried to hide it in a forest, so, possibly screaming around false(?) rumours. It seemed that she had introduced herself as Lotus when she played Melissa: an old woman ran to me saying Melissa is Lotus. So they may have used this "identity theft" cheap trick to gain more trust.
She killed some girl baby or two, saying the other baby said "fuck" and telling people the other one had an infinite bag with pies, I have no idea wtf was going on when this went down as I was farming milkweed at the southern town. Then I heard murders at the edges of the town; Melissa was trying to roll the blame onto the twin which was alive, saying she would be looking out for him. I saw a girl say "I trust Melissa" so some people bought her acting. The med station was probably sabotaged too.

In a nutshell;
lure people with weapons away, kill people at the edge of the town, hoard weapons and hide bows and arrows, dirty all pads and hide needles and thread. Scream rumours around and maybe use someone's identity. That's pretty much all it takes, and in these cases many are naive or newbies, which makes killings just worth nothing.

#666 Re: Main Forum » Griefing, what are the ‘laws’ of OHOL » 2018-09-23 16:10:41

I use the exact definition griefing has in Urban dictionary;

1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game.
2. In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game.
3. In online gaming, someone who takes pleasure in creating grief for an opponent via various "cheap" tactics.

I do not consider newbies doing bad things without knowing griefing. They are not meaning to do harm. They are just doing harm unintentionally which is not griefing in my terms.
Now a griefer who does griefing is always doing it to damage the place they are in. It's something that hinders the town or sends it back in development and the griefer does it knowing very well how it damages the place and other players. In OHOL it's usually; killing innocent players (especially fertile females), destroying resources and hiding items. There are other ways too but those are the most common things, and I would also consider many to be in the number 3 category, just cheap tactics.

#667 Re: Main Forum » New player, loving the game » 2018-09-23 16:05:05

Heyo! I wonder if you were that one blonde man some days ago who was looking at people making pies, the one I ushered to place mutton on crusts so you'd get to do stuff with your own hands too. big_smile
I've been playing for two months now and still enjoy the varying lives I get. When someone manages to get to you in a negative manner, remember that behind every respawn may be your new favorite life!

#668 Re: Main Forum » Embracing low-end griefers to enhance game-play » 2018-09-22 19:14:26

Auner wrote:

While I agree there are grievers and their mission is sabotage- for those who are simply bored- a new set of end goals to entertain them - ie the role of the 'bad guy'. They can develop a town of horses and weapons and take off for the regular towns

And then for the regular players-- their city planning has to evolve to protect from outsiders-- now if you want a bell, you'd pretty much want to encase your city first.

The need for security in the community adds significant game play without really too much additional content. The necessity of security against external treats- pressures players for more team work- and in real life this is largely what borne kingdoms.

In reality this game has PvP options, so PvP will happen---- I really wish Jason recognized the need to try to atleast implement the most obvious steps in an attempt to balance it. PvP is a really hard thing to truly balance so that it's fun for both players. Right now, we're in a fortunate place where grievers are becoming less and less of an internal threat.

Also TIL that was how it works. *shrug* I take breaks when im bored of the game

I don't know what Jason's intentions with PvP is, as all I know is that it was implemented as anti-griefing mechanic which lead to some wars. But as PvP is a pain to balance and build, I have some suspicions if Jason wants to emphasize PvP anymore than what we have.

I dislike lives where I have to act as a guard, I dunno if others enjoy that. It feels like babysitting and listening to drama and people accusing each other of whatever. I don't really want to play police in this game, but that's just me.

Jk Howling wrote:

Tbh, I still yearn for things to be rewritten a bit. 8 Curses = marked, 12 curses = banished to Donkey Town. That way we get a mix of things. You still have the drama and fear and antagonism of black-text babies being born in a town, but the worst of the griefers get exiled. Win-win.

I'm probably the only one who doesn't miss the drama at all. big_smile I disliked having to stare at a baby for a minute or two to wait for their "F" or "HI" to check the gosh darn speech bubble. It makes my life so much easier and nice when I don't have to do that anymore. Also many expressed their dislike over new moms raising everyone and not "baby testing" at all which caused friction.

#669 Re: Main Forum » Embracing low-end griefers to enhance game-play » 2018-09-22 18:02:00

Auner wrote:

As much as I hate the lowest of grieving-- when people grief in a way that adds to the game--- well it adds a lot to the game! Before the curse system was implemented, it was obvious a huge hunk of grievers were just doing it out of boredom.

So here's an idea-- instead of a cursed player being born to anyone (but also assuming they haven't been cursed into donkey town)-- they have to be born to another cursed player or they are eve. This pressures them to either play nice and get along to make a base and then, after death, get closer re-enter with the rest of us- or get cursed by cursed folk right into donkey town.

Isn't that how it works atm? Cursed->Cursed Eve->Cursed kids=Donkey Town. Then curse is lifted off->back to normal.

Auner wrote:

Basically-- how to use game functions to make grievers more of an antagonist role that adds to the game instead irritating and pointless sabotage?

Well. Not everyone yearns for antagonists, like me (I rather have PvE elements). People who roleplay or like PvP or Sherlock Holmes gameplay want the action of hunting antagonists.

But you'd like to have game mechanics which would add spice to the game without being annoying sabotage? I think griefers want to sabotage, they don't want to entertain others. They are just people who want to bother others with big and small annoyances. They are not roleplayers looking for ways to make interesting stories, they are players who are there to maximize damage to a town.

If there was a way to play the "bad guy" in a good way, I can only imagine roleplayers doing it. But "bad things" are things that either mess up others' work or cause troubles for others, otherwise they wouldn't be considered bad.

#670 Re: Main Forum » Isn't what it used to be » 2018-09-22 17:49:57

I suggest you take time off to play other games.
The game has benefited from the cursed people time-outs. Cities stay around longer so newbies have great chances of learning, which is the biggest thing for me. Cities are great for newbies, not so much for bored veterans.

But yes go and play other games, no game stays fun if you grind it too much.

#671 Re: Main Forum » Why Whites are Better than Blacks (ONLY in Ohol) » 2018-09-21 20:40:37

UnnoticedShadow wrote:

What you guys don't get is, girls ARE better than boys, in almost every situation.  Just because you spawn in as a girl does not mean you have to take care of your babies

It's sad but true in this game. In real life we need males as much as we need females, but due to the virgin birth mechanic, males are really left in the dust ability-wise. Sadly. I wish they were just as essential but well, it's a game.

#672 Re: Main Forum » Such love, much waiting » 2018-09-21 14:02:41

I'll join in once again.

Elevator music, anyone?

#673 Re: Main Forum » The Story Of our End » 2018-09-21 08:55:38

WalrusesConquer wrote:

THIS IS ADORABLE

Hee! big_smile There is never enough of adorableness in this world!

Solbusaur wrote:

MultiLife you're so good at what you do, thank you so much!

Thank youuu!

#674 Re: Main Forum » The Story Of our End » 2018-09-20 16:57:52

Tea wrote:

Aww that's so cute <3

I really loved how they all had such different personalities in the short span of time I had to get to know them. big_smile Hooray potatopeople! Thank you!

Solbusaur wrote:

OH MY GOD I HAVE MY OWN PORTRAIT

Wait bro! I gotchu! Take it!
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#675 Re: Main Forum » The Story Of our End » 2018-09-20 09:56:06

Solbusaur wrote:

AAAAAGH I WAS DANTE! Jebediah, I was your blood brother! So glad to have played with you!

Danteeee <3 I'm happy you found this post my blood brother! My lil' life would have been cut short if you hadn't lead me away from the busy women who had no time for a crying baby. big_smile

Solbusaur wrote:

My heart is warmed seeing what happened to me after I died. And all the lovely things you're saying about me!

We joked about how I was the only black one because my mother had been cheating with someone else. It really sucked how I was killed by the boar, I was getting a skewer, I think, and I zoned out for a sudden. I was walking into the boar before I realised what a horrible mistake I made, haha

It happened so fast, I remember stopping in my tracks when I realized you were moving right where the boar was. D:
Good thing you stumbled upon this thread, soak in the positivity we are gushing here! smile You deserve it boiiii!

And to add to that, enjoy this little sketch I sketchededed:
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