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Secondchild, if females of breeding age all gather in one location -- the nursery -- then there's no need for shuttling.  If people bring them food (in carts from a healthy farm not far away) then they don't need to waste time / hunger picking up babies and putting them down over and over.  They can just stand there, holding their baby (which doesn't drain any additional food, once picked up) and talking to them.  And each other.

Then, once they're past the age where they spawn babies near them, they can move on to other tasks.

Every female would be "stuck" having to be a mother for a while... but that's basically just hanging out in a chat room, discussing things, and teaching.  And the reward is that after you've done your duty being a mother, you move on to be an Elder Matriarch who runs society.

evan.woods, I think the child-rearing class IS the administrative class.  They stay in one place, nursing children (and more importantly -- controlling the spawn point for new babies) but also that's ideal for talking to each other.  They'd be centralized (in virtue of that's where everybody starts off) and they'll already need the worker/wanderer class to bring them supplies like food and wood for fire and nice new clothes for themselves and the babies, etc.  Sound like a ruling class, to me.  Just one that has to never leave the Palace (until they're old.)

It wasn't so much sparing their life as removing the danger factor of having everybody carry weapons all the time.  I have no problem with killing a criminal afterwards, but if regular (non-guard) villagers could subdue somebody with a non-lethal weapon (to remove the accident factor) that might be an improvement over the current situation.

What got me thinking about the Carrot Eater scenario was that people mentioned wanting to be able to stop griefers who would simply consume entire crops.  Another mechanic I had been playing around with in my head was preventing (certain kinds) of murder when there were "too many" other people around (for some definition of "too many" ... and "around" for that matter) on the theory that bystanders would potentially step in to protect you or that it simply modeled the natural deterrence factor present in the real world without having to get into the actual mechanisms (to simplify things.)  But that kind of "cannot kill people when there are witnesses" rule would prevent ANY kind of killing in-town, even for (say) breaking some law.

Hmm.. so you're saying that we may just be entering a particularly violent era in our civilization's development and need to deal with it?  Everybody should craft a bow first thing?  Until we progress to a point where most people are born in advanced towns that have better technological defenses and/or dedicated guards?  I'd still hope for there to be some kind of group-defense mechanism.. or maybe a non-lethal "subdue" since that would solve other nuisance issues (like the Eaters of Corn) where people are breaking rules but you don't necessarily want to kill them.  If two or more people could "subdue" another person... maybe with rope?  They would remain tied up until somebody else clicks to untie them?

Again, I agree with you for the most part Lonewarior811 in terms of pushing society to evolve.. but to take it to an extreme, people shouldn't have a "wipe the entire server" button they can press when they want to screw with everybody.  There has to be balance SOMEWHERE in terms of how much damage a single person can do.  Maybe the current situation makes it too difficult to defend against such attacks, since it's often all over before anybody has realized what's going on.  A single village guard is reasonable -- personal bodyguards are not... but that's practically what it would take, to defend against griefer murder sprees.  Even just adding some audio clues such as a blood-curdling scream could alert everybody to be on their guard.

This has happened a few times to me as well (no familiarity with the logs but will now poke around) though one time I found that talking seemed to get me un-stuck.  But otherwise I was stuck in a loop repeating the same animation over and over, and couldn't otherwise interact.  If talking did indeed have an impact in that case (and wasn't just a coincidence of timing or wishful thinking on my part) then maybe that is a clue?  Shouldn't just be regular lag if that's it.. it really might be something getting "stuck" and replaying until interrupted, blocking other communications?  I believe all this code is C++ which I haven't looked at since college (mostly Java here, various scripting languages) and I haven't looked at it either.

That sounds like a good specialized settlement.  I think a structure that has spawning happen in a central location and then feeds out to specialized villages in various directions would work best for advancing civilization, and would make for interesting gameplay (I could be a carrot farmer amongst other experienced carrot farmers, and not spend half my lifetime yelling at people for going near the seed carrots.)

I will grant you that I have only been playing for about a week, and perhaps my opinion will change with more experience (and time put into building things) but I for one am HAPPY that the game doesn't prevent griefing.  I think dealing with anti-social types is an important aspect of building a civilization.  I would support something like a two-hitpoint system (to give victims a chance to get away and/or warn others, alert the guards, etc.) but would be unhappy to see the game neutered entirely.  I know that it's frustrating to have a lifetime's work destroyed by some malcontent... but that's life.

Oh sorry I apparently am not reading sufficiently well today

I would still just check the other settings.  If you can list them by modification time, that may help narrow down which one changed.  So far as I know, EVERYTHING is controlled by those .ini files, so one of them should fix it.

There is another procreation-related discussion here:  https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=256

I like the idea of taking control of procreation more directly, rather than letting it be left to the whims of chance -- but I think we can do that within the existing game mechanics, by having females gather in a central location (and structuring society around supporting that)

Norgg I agree it's super creepy if you think about it in real-world terms.  So I'm trying not to do that.  Basically, just in terms of game mechanics, we have a situation where new players (usually) spawn near other players of "Type X" and so if we want to control where spawning happens, we should control the location of Type X players.  That centralizes spawning and allows for more controlled introduction of new players into the world.

Phate, I'm thinking Bigger Picture here.  This would be a massive restructuring of society, from the current collection of disconnected villages and/or random wanderers, many (most?) babies starving before they're even a year old, many players toiling away trying to rebuild whatever abandoned farm they happened to spawn near, desperately hoping for female children so they can carry on, etc -- to one where there is a central "heart" to the civilization, with growth spreading out from there.

Remember -- increasing average lifespan (by reducing child deaths) should significantly reduce the birth rate.  Every birth is a player.. it's not unlimited.

The entire point of society would be to provide resources (food, wood for fire, quality clothing) to the Birth Mothers, who would gather together in one location and dedicate themselves to nursing spawned children -- and educating them, deciding where they should send them after childhood (if male) or teaching them how to be a Birth Mother (if female) and (eventually) working on longer-term projects to help civilization advance and grow.  Once they're past breeding age and become Elder Matriarchs, females could venture out into the world and observe how things are going (so they can report back to the Birth Mothers about which jobs need new players) or plan for the future.  The Birthing Mothers would not just spend time explaining The Laws / Tenets to children but could also discuss amongst themselves plans for the future, the state of the world, reports back from wandering Elder Matriarchs, etc.

Structurally, I envision some central location (doesn't matter where.. no resources are produced there except new humans... badlands would even be fine) where all the Birth Mothers gather, raise children, and then send the males out into the world either North, South, East or West to outlying villages, each dedicated to some kind of work (e.g. farming, hunting, clothing, etc.)  The villages send resources back to the Birth Mothers, so they never have to do anything other than raise the young.

Also bear in mind that the Birth Mothers would essentially control reproduction, and could (by choosing which babies to let starve) control the ratio of male-to-female.  It's also FAR more efficient for mothers to simply nurse their children (even after they can feed themselves) since they only lose food when picking up a baby (holding a baby keeps the child's food meter full, with no additional loss to the mother) which is a lot better than constantly putting the baby down and picking it back up (or worse -- shuffling between multiple babies) so that the mother can also try to be a farmer (or some other job) at the same time.

If properly implemented, I DON'T think this would lead to starvation.  Quite the opposite.  I think by taking control of the reproductive/spawning process instead of letting it be essentially random, civilization can organize itself better, reduce child mortality, and put a stop to (most) players having to wander the wilderness looking for abandoned villages to (often futilely) attempt to revive.