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Yes thats why you don't need a fence if you have a tiny piece of biome (without more of the same biome a horse jump's distance away)

Edit: added the quote

How about trade not being necessary for water (which is a bit unrealistic anyway, people are more likely to move in search of water than trade), but for different types of food? Seeds would be a cool AND realistic thing.

HARD VERSION
- Only person w/ certain skin colour can pick the seed off of a certain wild food
- When that seed is planted by a person with a diff skin colour, it grows, but has a chance of not yielding any new seeds- meaning you can run out and have to trade again
- Each skin coour gets a seed that is vital for progression (i.e. wheat, carrot, berry), but can survive without it although it may be a bit more of a struggle

To combine points 2 & 3 domestic berry bushes should perhaps die (meaning you need to plant new ones like w/ carrots and wheat)

You get the bread bakers, carrot crunchers and berry bellies. If anyone wants sheep, pies or compost, they better trade some seeds. However, surviving without sheep/pies/compost is possible through some hardship.

EASY VERSION
Same but the seeds aren't vital, just for yum things

Edit: Be aware that people can still get the wild food, just not the wild seeds. This allows them to scavenge some stuff together, but eventually resources die out and they gotta find people to trade with

Not that I disagree, but, yesterday (old chihuahua struttin around the kitchen).

Dogs do lose appeal because they're high effort and give pleasure for a very limited amount of time compared to anything else. That doesn't mean nobody does it anymore. There's always people who haven't done it yet and want to try it out, or people who will breed some dogs just because they haven't seen them in a while. They're still special.

Other stuff that's also 'not necessary/helpful for survival' is different clothes. Something like a wolf hat doesn't really have any use beyond looking AWESOME, and it's never stopped doing that. Newborns will often move towards a certain piece of clothing they'd rather wear, even if it isn't necessarily better. They like wearing different colours for shirt/shorts/hat, or an all rabbit fur outfit, or a special type of hat.

I mentioned before that I really like the idea of only one family being able to dye clothes, so Ilka saying families should have their own specific products makes sense to me. In ancient civilizations people traded things like feathers and beads, not because they're useful, but because they're pretty. Stuff like that can be valuable.

If someone is 'cranking out pipes' bet your ass I'm not bothering them for a hoe.

Asking for a hoe doesn't take just 2 seconds, it means turning iron ore into wrought iron and then steel ingots for which more coal is needed too. Yeah, they may currently have a bunch of ingots and you just have to slam em with a hammer, but they probably NEED those ingots! Making a hoe for you means they have to go back a few steps after that and make another ingot for their own project which takes quite a few steps and is really bothersome if you only have to make one.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, even if you decide to make the hoe yourself: don't just assume you can take some ingots and turn a few of them into tools if someone is working on advanced tech. Also don't take every iron bar since it might be for the newcomen stuff needed for the oil pump or distilling. They need those things even if they're not currently touching them. If they don't have time to make your stuff, ask if you can use the resources first. Using untouched iron ore is generally fine unless there is very little of it left.

Aight that makes more sense. What if other ultra-necessary things like the ingredients for rubber can be found in other places in limited quantities as well? Or some other replacement for the rubber needed for a newcomen (whatev, slap a snake skin in there or somethin)? I'm personally okay with needing to trade/work together for oil or a lot of iron, but I think trading in specific should only affect the development of towns at a later stage, not early on.

If trading is necessary from the start, it'd make more sense to be a nomad Eve than actually start a town anywhere (depending on the colour of your skin). Moving in together and starting a bigger town would make a lot more sense than 'trading' too. In that case you could even force something like pale people being the only ones who can start a well, so the other families will HAVE to move there. But then why would you care more about members from your family (that is, cousins, aunts, the ones that don't affect your score) than from a different family? Someone with a different skin tone would be more useful than your aunt.

What? People can't even build a well without a shovel

How is lasso annoying?

Tongs being a tool feels silly to me too. Oh you need to smith something? Use up two tool slots instead of one like every other task where at least you have the option of splitting the tools between you and another person if it requires more than one tool.

OHOL players in the rift: WE WANT FREEDOM
OHOL players w/ freedom: WE WANT THE RIFT

Anyway, put effort into growing your towns. Travel east to find others.
Perhaps eve spawns can be slightly closer to each other to introduce more interaction with other families?

There's one pen design that really stuck with me when I saw it for the first time. This was before property fences were a thing, so the fences were all wooden. Made a quick schematic representation of it:

A few pieces of the northern wall of the bakery were torn down and replaced by boxes, in which a lot of mutton could be stored. The other side of the pen had boxes for removal of sheep bones/wool and the tools were stored there too. I forgot to draw one handle on the bottom left of the pen, but basically it was two gates on either side w/ a berry bush in between (the bakery side had a regular door and then a gate). The double gate thing was pretty common back then but I haven't seen it much lately. Someone leaving one gate open wasn't an issue like this.
Bottom left is a nursery with a fire, the other orange/hurting ur eyes thing is the oven. There were more boxes in the bakery but that doesn't really matter so I didn't draw 'em. Wheat was planted south of the bakery, with the rest of the farm & town being to the west. Very nice place. Pretty sure it had a path of cut stones around it too.

+1

Whoa whoa. Lemme quote OP

Nothing about bossing around or killing people who don't listen. Just that bakers have a good overview of what's going on.
A baker doesn't necessarily know how to play the game, but if a baker is an experienced player they may def know the state of the town and what's needed to (indeed) maintain it. Can't progress a town if nobody survives.

Anyway I also wanted to reply to this (whether or not it was OP or not)

Reminds me of when I put my gathered 2x latex, 2x sulfur and 2x palm kernels in the bakery to make 2 rubber tires for newcomens (one needed immediately for the well, the other for later), and then the baker lady carried all of it outside with the statement "I'm baking here". The kitchen was small but there was more than enough space for my stuff. Me saying that I needed the oven for this stuff didn't help. Me saying that I'd help her bake her pies first so it'd be faster didn't help. She was insistent on having the entire kitchen to herself.
After a while she left for a bit to go eat (no food in the building at that point), so I put my stuff back and went to get fire. We needed the well! Water is life! When I came back she had loaded all my stuff in a cart and taken it outside, hiding all of it behind several trees quite far away from the village. I found her after a while with one bowl of sulfur left in the cart, and got the village to help me search for the rest of the stuff, notably the two buckets. I told her she shouldn't hide things and then she called me a griefer. Eventually someone else killed her, but I wasn't able to finish the tire.
Sad life when your baker is a narcissist.

It would have to be cheaper than adobe wall at 2 clay + 2 reed/wheat, which is tough.
Good thing is that clay, reed and wheat can be used for other things, which increases their value. Can't just use it all on a house if other things are needed first.

Pine needles aren't used for anything else, so that's a good start.
What if you'd build on top of property fences? So the property fence is there, then add another branch (curved or yew or somethin, or even just an extra click w/ the property fence twigs to build it higher) and then pine needles to close it for insulation? It could all fall apart the same way property fences do. Edit: Or when it falls apart it turns back into a property fence that needs to be fixed, as if the needles decayed but the base is still there.