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Toxic,
Since you have stopped griefing, what sorts of projects/town functions have you taken up? How have you helped towns out? What has been your contribution to towns or your family or to other players enjoyment in the game (e. g. making something nice but non-productive like a rubber ball)?
I made a few water pumps for towns, and one life I made a snowman it was funny lol. Today I found another town and made some letters for translating languages. Cameras are also pretty cool so I tried to make one but died before I could cause this guy stole it.
And I’ve been doing some productive stuff like sheep farming and trying to make oil rigs.
Toxic wrote:Now killing is not always defined as griefing, the term griefing is used in OHOL for someone who intentionally without any reason to do so kills people, hides stuff or ruins the fun of others.
But since Jason is adding elements that will make pvp or “war” with other lineages possible pvp can be done in a more protective way. Your not a griefer if you protect your town against another town. I just don’t want to outright ruin someone’s fun because I have experienced it and it #feelsbadman.
Your definition of griefing is what they eventually did after 1-2 months of saying they would quit 'griefing'. They would either find an excuse to fight people, or instigate a fight to get PvP to come to them, raiding villages, etc. etc.
If you think that the new 'war'/pvp mechanics will be enough to satisfy you, I would urge you to caution. It is very unlikely that in the state of things, you will be lucky enough to be in the position to defend the villages you spawn into every time, or even a majority of the time. unless you can get 'fun' in one of the other highly-desired roles of a village (hunting, prospecting, etc.) you are going to fall into that same pitfall that the PvP'ers of past have experienced; a break from their fighting, an a building 'urge' to find PvP after a couple weeks of the same peace.
I’ll fight only to defend not urge others to fight with me.
If you are sorry, I'm all for accepting it. Does this mean you have my trust or anyone else's? No, but I believe you understand that. It's up to you to take your current position in the community and to do with it what you will.
OHOL isn't a full PvP game, but it does have elements that require it. I can imagine you'd be similar to the PvP'ers of the Minecraft communities of 2b2t and CivCraft. And take this as an anecdote to yourself if you want:
Several times in those communities, the players that really enjoyed the PvP action they got would frequently apologize for their actions, say that they've changed, and push forward the idea that they would be more peaceful and enjoy the other aspects of the game. That usually didn't last for more than a month or two before they took up arms once again and stirred up more drama within that time. It happened so often to the point that any apology threads made by said PvP members of the community were no longer taken seriously and just assumed as a temporary 'ceasefire' by them until they wanted to get back into the fight.
I won't be the one to label you the same as them. The impetus is on you and Truf if you want to stay as the standard 'griefer', make a temporary change to your playstyle, or do something different.
My goal is to quit “griefing” all together. Now killing is not always defined as griefing, the term griefing is used in OHOL for someone who intentionally without any reason to do so kills people, hides stuff or ruins the fun of others.
But since Jason is adding elements that will make pvp or “war” with other lineages possible pvp can be done in a more protective way. Your not a griefer if you protect your town against another town. I just don’t want to outright ruin someone’s fun because I have experienced it and it #feelsbadman.
So again the gibberish language whatever its called did they actually make up their own language cuz they speak it so fluently when did they make it up and how do alot of people know it
Hey, it was nice meeting you today!
Btw, that language is a new thing Jason added, so different lineages can’t speak to each other.
Thank you for making this effort. It's easy to just do what you want in a moment, without thought, because its easy to do so. It is very hard to start to climb out of the hole that logic has put you, but I assure you very rewarding. No matter what, I will still remember the time you wanted to abandon me just because I was a boy, because it taught me no matter what, someone can make a difference. That Demons line in a gathering of at least 10 said goodbye to their Nameless Uncle, when you didn't name me it no longer became important, that in every moment worked for the town and grew the grandest farm there could be, for the family. I am happy to have hope that you want to care past just making the name, to be a co-author in the early chapters, instead of the final chapters. If you can do it, don't follow my earlier advice and change your name and bury your past, but make the name of Toxic be a redemption story rather than a horror story.
I read your story, when i didn't want to keep you and i regretted it afterwards.
Thanks for the positive words i really don't want to have to act like a coward and make a new account.
Im ready to do anything to redeem myself and become a more positive member of this community.
#OnceAGrieferAllwaysAGreifer
The reason you pretended to change was because you didn't want Tarr killing all of your towns.
This time lets actually twin and help towns rather then killing them.
You recently got exposed for griefing with proof which really doesn't help.
If like me you make an effort to play the game normally you will find it enjoying trust me.
did you delete that griefing server of yours?
i will leave the server i genuinely want a place where i can talk to people lol.
Also people sometimes plan apocs there so i guess its not that bad.
But idk if apoc is considered griefing, then i might delete the server.
But im banned on official server so i want to talk to people.
I am sorry
everyone for destroying your gameplay experience, whenever I did. I know this won’t fix anything, I’ll still be banned on discord and probably hated by most of you.
Recently I have been playing enjoying the game, and more then once while playing I’ve been griefed. I now understand how annoying getting griefed can be when your trying to make something and someone destroys it.
The main reason for me killing people is because I play a lot of pvp games and it’s kinda my mindset, to go in and kill. But I want to change that for this game.
I’m not doing this because I don’t want people to kill my eve towns or hate me. I’m doing this because I think my actions have been unreasonable.
It’s all up to the community forgive someone or keep hating.
I am sorry
Because they are childish, but not in a cute, innocent way. They are childish in a self-centered, immature, destructive, bratty way. Griefers go out of their way to make things worse for other people, then wonder why nobody likes them. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
I've met people who have this kind of mentality in real life. Their pain is the only pain that matters. They always have a dozen excuses for why they act like a complete shit-heel, but have zero empathy or forgiveness if anyone wrongs them in some small way, even by mistake. Constantly playing at being the victim while their actions mark them as an abuser. That shit gets old fast.
In my experience, people who show this kind of behavior pattern as adults do not change. Most kids go through a phase where they don't see other people as "real", but eventually they mature and come to understand the value of healthy social interactions. But some people never grow up and probably never will.
If there’s people like me in the game in real life......
I have been playing normally and I see how griefing is frustrating.
I was making a camera the other day and this griefer took my box and ran off.
When I went after him and stabbed him he said I’m a griefer and cursed me with like 4 other people lol.
And tarr I haven’t been joining the server and being and asshole I haven’t been in discord for like 1 week now.
Just list me the stuff.
If a griefer changed would you forgive him or would he be marked for life He/She.
This is only one of his accounts btw but for anyone who was wanting the proof to back up it was "good boi, dindu nuffin Datruf" here you are.
http://i.imgur.com/XfMIZMK.png
He has also been using my surname because he knows he'll get shot under any of his surnames. If you see me running around in game it's worth pinging me to confirm whether or not it's actually me. On the flip, you can probably try to kill me though that might backfire (didn't work so well for Datruf though lmao.)
Tarr what a genius.......
Styling I think isn’t a mod abuser, but she is a controversial mod.
She times out people for saying stuff and says that stuff herself most of the time.
If you say something to her she will TO you but she can do whatever she wants.
Now I’m banned on discord so I don’t know what’s going on. I used to have alts but can’t be bothered to make new ones.
Hi everyone I am testo, long time lurker of these forums and four months ohol gamer.
I just wanted to say hello and thank you to everyone I ve met in this game, It has been an interesting experience.
I also want to say goodbye for now, I feel I reached somehow my top in the game (Also, last updates are just awful).
Not a real fan of forums. GL everyone.
Cya
Well it still makes a new sense of drama in this game, which some enjoy and some dislike.
I wouldn’t say slow people down but faster food drain is good!
Jason the new update are so good. I haven’t hopped on yet but I played yesterday and I had one of my best lives. Not griefing but protecting my family with a sword from raiders. I actually think that this game will definetly go in a good direction now we just need some trading changes! War is already a thing I would say with the new changes.
Idk if you fixed the area ban tho, like otherwise it would be no baby chaos!
Love this game! I’m gonna have some funny making creative stuff and protecting my family rather then griefing everyone. The reason is now I’ll be more busy trying to protect my family rather then kill it. Like if I feel like killing I can kill other families if they don’t have defenses.
I’m gonna go and make a little wall in some town
CYA!
Whoops, I guess it hasn't been forever!
Only 19 days.
And now I remember why I fixed it: stream stalking (Twisted).
Lol I was like wtf
How did I curse twisted so much then lol.
Well bad memory I guess
Awh, sad our family didn't make it
I starved half way through the life because the berry fields never ended up being tended to and we lacked water. I had something going on shortly anyways though.
I definitely saw someone named Berry running around! You might've noticed me as the blond kid who kept spamming "by!/hi!"" lol. And there definitely was a sword, I watched about 6-7 people get stabbed in quick succession with it. I even picked it up briefly but that shit spooked me too much.
Tbh I'm just glad my wife(?) Sun didn't get killed. Later saw a brother named Dante running around with a loaded bow and begged him not to kill her. Dunno who he was looking for in the end though.
Yea read my post Dante killed your daughter who was my mother, you were my grandfather.
Well i normally don't do this but heres a story that was sad and i guess entertaining. Today i experienced what this game feels like when someone overpowers you, this new update gave me a new insight!
I was Merida btw JK howlings grandaughter!
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=4405701

i was born into this town, and someone named Dante Rain murdered my mom when i was only a few years old ![]()
I told her that i will avenge her death and make Dante suffer a bad fate!
Little did i know what would conspire..........

No one could understand me! They were all against us gingers my family had a thin line, they did not care about us even if people killed us.
They were monsters just because we could not understand them they finished us off!
I was one of the few remaining people..... maybe even the last flower

Then i saw this, my mums murder had been killed!
I needed kids but i swore it on my life to kill the Rains the flowers would flourish without the rain this time!
I was extremely outnumbered and did not know if i could hold much longer!

My last relative, my Aunt she gave me a safe spot and told me to stay inside. This was our last piece of property where we were safe!
But i was too ignorant about my revenge that i left it ultimately leading to my murder
I don't have a pic but i walked into this house for a knife, and then this old lady and girl came in closed the door. It was a property fence so i couldn't get out.
They ended up stabbing me and i died!
but Jason i love this update it was quite a fun 18 minutes of my life!!
JK!! our family was wiped
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … id=4405701
I was Merida im making a post on this soon
Also, because all gingers have similar skins i can easily camouflage myself. Most races have people looking the same lol. The game looks really bad like that he really needs to make a bunch of characters. Atleast 5 per race or even more.
Ok so as it seems, bloody swords are coming into the game. Twisted doesn't like this idea and some other community members don't. But Jason do you really want me to have a relapse, i have finally been playing normally and now you think about adding this. It will be too much for me to resist going to another village who can't understand me or curse me and having no killing cooldown timer. Im just saying if you don't change this it will be a primary griefer weapon. SO PLEASE JASON DO NOT ADD THIS!!!!
He is also adding pregnant belly or something i don't care about that.

This confirms the addition of swords and i haven't hopped on yet but languages already differ. Thats cool lol people not being able to understand you!!
The only thing I can think of that is worth fighting about would be water given how each well could be considered a form of territory.
Yea the water could cause conflicts but that will only happen if eves spawn closer and the springs are spread more further apart and area ban needs to be changed. This would mean changing a lot but it could work. Imagine if there were only 4 water springs in a 1000 tile radius or something idk.
1. Economic Gain
2. Territorial Gain
3. Religion
4. Nationalism
5. Revenge
6. Civil War
7. Revolutionary War
8. Defensive War
I''ll try to expand the ones more relevant to OHOL.
1. Often wars are caused by one country's wish to take control of another country's wealth. Whatever the other reasons for a war may be, there is almost always an economic motive underlying most conflicts, even if the stated aim of the war is presented to the public as something more noble.
There needs to be something valuable that each country holds. This could just be there axes and shovels or iron but the problem is that rather then going to war for some iron or food people would rather produce their own. More resource scarcity and bringing towns closer would solve that, or adding an exclusive items that a civilisation can capture.
2. A country might decide that it needs more land, either for living space, agricultural use, or other purposes. Territory can also be used as “buffer zones” between two hostile enemies.
There needs to be something done about this, there needs to be some territory that will aid a town when captured. This could be achieved by constricting the map so towns can't just build off into any direction not caring about space restrictions. There is not much else that can make territorial gain a reasonable reason for wars.
4. Nationalism in this context essentially means attempting to prove that your country is superior to another by violent subjugation. This often takes the form of an invasion.
This is the whole making you care type of scenario, players need to believe that the survival of their family is of upmost importance. They need to fend off these other threats and feel like their family matters more. I don't know how we can achieve this because one thing that comes to my mind is that you can only spawn into 1 family..... but that destroys the fun (more then griefers do)
6. These generally take place when there is sharp internal disagreement within a country. The disagreement can be about who rules, how the country should be run or the people's rights. These internal rifts often turn into chasms that result in violent conflict between two or more opposing groups.
This is interesting what if two or more different groups formed and had war within their family. This is here because Jason said that he will make a sword for attacking other enemies, but this could be interesting. The town creates 2 different groups they kill and chase each other off and then another family seizes the chance and takes over the town.
Now these are real life examples, i don't know if they will be used for war in a game.