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Also keep this in mind: why is the Eve town setup so well-known compared to end-game towns?

Yes, there's a lot of content available, but that content is still there in the late-game! Even more-so, there is not an intense pressure baring down on the player to "Keep gathering food or die" that they face in Eve camps. And also, there is, I would argue, more content that isn't accessible in the early-game of towns!

So why is there not so much 'direction' in the late-game, then, if there's still lots of content?

The reason is simple: People aren't used to "getting that far" compared to Eve camps. Well-developed and over-supplied towns is something that the newest wave of OHOL players have never been able to experience for themselves. Even for a lot of newbie veterans, experiencing the "Endgame towns" is new territory, and just as easy to get swept up in and distracted by all of the various possibilities.

I believe that players have to be exposed to the late-game stages of OHOL enough for them to truly grasp what they are able to do to sustain the town's longevity, because numbers-wise, as long as the town has horses, there is 0 reason that a fully-developed town cannot survive.

Under the current EZ-Mode food/hunger stats, a single individual takes an average of 12 bowls of soil and 12 bowls of water to keep alive via Gooseberries. End-game towns have ridiculously better food than that. Thus, the end-game is no different from the early-game, except that the speed at which the Villages/Towns that players live in are on a much longer "doomsday" clock until their next batch of Kerosene flows in.

Measuring what the Hierarchy system is like on initial-release is not going to be an accurate picture. You're gonna have to wait 1-2 weeks before you'll actually see how Hierarchies gets used when it's not "The brand new thing".

It's very possible that, come a week or two from now, we have the hierarchy system used for the purposes of organizing a "town guard". The leader is simply whoever's the oldest of the group and can organize the rest.

It's not even that this is a recent phenomenon, but just how the system has always been. Kerosene in general has been harder to 'lift' at times when other towns are very close by, but even that can be griefed.

At some point or another, every player thinks "I am the best, clearly I should use this Car/Airplane/Kerosene, and take it with me to start a new town, with Blackjack, and Hookers!" Shortly afterward they end up dying or sending it somewhere that it's never used in their lifetime, or held by another group of players that have 0 use of the items they brought.

So many resources are wasted and squandered every generation, not just because a griefer decides "Hey, I'm going to put all this good stuff, somewhere completely different," but also because regular players that don't even know how to build an engine decide "Hey, why should this town get these resources when I can clearly use them much better and build my own town?" and then proceed to die to a wolf. The moment their ambitions fly off into the ether, the resources they had are effectively snuffed out.

You are correct to say that we are trapped in a 'low-tech nightmare', but this is nothing new. The best way I can suggest you look at the civilizations is to see them as 'Tiers' in the tech progression.

Tier 1 are the barebones, basic villages that barely got to Deep Well, or just slightly past it. A lot of them die out before even reaching this state, and I consider those Tier 0.

Tier 2 are fledgling towns that managed to gain rubber and/or have horsecarts to enhance resource-gathering. They have deep well, but are quickly running out and have to transition to Newcomen.

Tier 3 are proper towns that have acquired a few dozen rubber tires, and have several horsecarts on standby within a 60-minute window. They have the standard Newcomen Well, along with a Freestanding newcomen, and at least one Cistern to store water. They have a bakery and/or nursery building that give the indoors bonus for idle chatter.

A long road usually connects the town to a neighboring town or resource depot. They have a belltower base starting up or in-development, in order to secure their place on the map. They might have a secondary well setup to gather water.

Tier 4 are Cities that have reached the Diesel Well and struck oil. They have several cisterns to take on water from the well's Kerosene operation. They have plenty of horse-carts on standby, or otherwise carts that will eventually be attached to horses. The amount of water has aided the production of Undyed clothing to permanently reduce food consumption per individual, and a House is designated for unused clothing. The bakery is well-stocked with food, Yum chain isn't a challenge, and there is even wine being produced.

Tier 5 are Megacities that have exhausted several Oil Pumpjacks, and have performed several runs of the Diesel Well. Several buildings that give the insulated bonus exist around the town's farms. The town has maybe had 1 or 2 Cars, or maybe even an airplane, but has almost assuredly lost them to griefers/idiots. They have had Brown families build Rubber tree farms in the nearby Jungle biomes, and have excessive buckets on standby. Numerous roads go in various directions from town towards important resources, or other neighboring towns, to sustain the population between generations.

Tier 6 is the Supercity with an over-abundance in centralized resources. They have constructed multiple cars and upgraded them to planes. There are numerous houses with specific purposes. The town has at least one guard and one doctor each generational cycle. There are tons of emergency medical pads, tons of Tire-Horsecarts, and the doctors/guards make sure to keep the general populace not dead and not grief'd.

The airplanes sustain landing pads for far-away oil wells, or potentially even towns, to ensure the "home city" never runs out of Kerosene. This is essentially the Communist Utopia because it can almost never be reached.

Yeah, what Tarr said.

Old system used to offer 1, 2, or 3-stack soil piles to be til-able.

Current system, we can Only til 1 and 3-stack, the recipe for 2-stack was removed from all biomes.

Makes sense for the Arctic, yes, no disagreements there. But when this was originally being bug-fixed a while back, the 2-stack tilling transition was accidentally deleted for every biome instead of just Arctic.

Another point to toss in, we are going to start seeing a lot more of Maslow's 3rd and 4th Tier in the "Hierarchy of Needs".

Well-developed towns that we are starting to see spring up more with the production of Kerosene, may be able to sustain this 3rd and 4th tier enough that the Hierarchy system will flourish naturally, after the first week of people trying it out and spamming everyone they want to follow.

The best thing that towns can do in the current-time is buckling down and increasing food diversity as much as possible, so that food lasts very long and people are building Yum chains.

This is basically a super-abuse of the stabbing mechanic, although 'abuse' isn't really a good way to put it, since that's how it works.

To determine the speed of movement, the size of the posse determines it.

1 (Solo killer) is 75%
2 (Killer +1) is 125%
3 (Killer +2) is 150%
4+ (Killer +3 or more) is 200%

To determine your travel speed, use the equation

If you want to determine your average travel per year, use the equation 200 * v, where v is the movespeed of the individual.

For a posse of 9, every person would be able to move 200 * 2, or 400, tiles a minute/year. The same speed as on Horseback.

Very good point. I was thinking that Jason could re-tool the Blondes family to being able to do that, and further cement them as a 'jack-of-any-biomes' race, since a lot of people think that their ability to translate does nothing when alone, and is considered a 'drain' by others that just work and do no talking.

Uhh, yes you can. Just because kerosene has a huge cost to production doesn't mean you can't evaluate cars or airplanes absent of the cost of fuel. It literally just means you're looking at how everything else balances out against other existing features/content of the game. Which is what this thread is supposed to do.

We can take cars and horses and directly compare them. The horsecarts are only 200% vs. the Car's 300%, but the Tire horsecart has more than double the carrying capacity, since the car typically has to use up a slot on the Kerosene.

The content was balanced for a different time, when the Tire Horse-cart only had 6 slots, when biomes were unrestricted, when Box Slots and Wall Boxes/Slots didn't exist. These alone are enough to warrant a revamp of the cars and airplanes without even having to go into the scarcity of Kerosene in the last few months of updates.

The latter concept is what I wanted instead of Biome specialization, but here we are. I'm going to disregard it - not because I disagree, since I very much agreed with and discussed that being a feature months ago - but because it's irrelevant to the now-existant feature that is Biome Specialization. We have to work within the scope of what exists within the game, and I don't think either of us sees Jason deleting all of that development.

"I don't see how your proposal discourages multi-racial villages."

I never said it did? Acclimation would remove the hard requirement of other races. You would no longer be coerced into finding Browns/Blacks/Gingers. You are suggested to finding them to make your life easier. Griefers would lose their benefit over pushing for mono-family town ruling, or stirring up violence to get one family to kill off the other, and accelerate the village's death. On the opposite end, families would no longer feel the 'pressure' that may hold the less-moderate players back from partaking in genocides.

Both of those outcomes are things Jason would very much want to see played out in the game.

Kerosene is feasible but difficult. It requires perfect coordination and resource gathering from every single race. But again, this is a topic that's not about the Cars/Airplanes themselves, but the resources involving them.

I'll continue that conversation over here instead. This post should stay focused on the Airplanes/Cars irregardless of the extreme difficulty of Kerosene.

I know it doesn't make sense, but I would not literally translate everything in the game as they are IRL. There is no way the crude car we have ingame matches 1:1 to a real-life car. Bears wouldn't just take 3 arrows to take out, and couldn't be avoided by standing on a berry bush. A single berry lasts long enough to keep you well-fed for a year. And so on, and so on.

Sure, the game having multi-person transport could/should exist if Jason was willing to implement it. If Rails could do other things besides very very slowly move 4 large items from Point A to Point B, maybe they would be more included with towns. But for a gameplay 'perspective', imo, having a way for people to insta-travel from one place to another - even without items - is not that interesting and trivializes the vastness of the map and towns.