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Re-reading this thread makes me realize that the recent update really should change so you automatically follow your MOTHER, not your mother's leader.

It would work thematically (your interactions are with your mother and you can't pick a different leader until you are an adult)  and it provides a real in-game reason for mothers to care about their own children more than other people's kids.    By treating your kids properly and proving that you can be trusted, they might continue to follow you as an adult.   If your daughters follow you, then their children will become your subordinates as well, raising your rank.    If your daughters hate you, you will not rise up the hierarchy, because they will follow themselves or choose someone else when they get older.

It also helps to spread out the hierarchy so it doesn't get too "flat" with everyone under the same leader and naturally elevates the village elders into a position of authority over time, as more children are born in the village.   It creates a natural matriarchy, with the oldest women rising toward the top of the hierarchy.  But only if they have been successful mothers who raised other players to also be good mothers.   A woman who has no children would gain no automatic followers.   A bad mother would lose the respect of her children and they would quickly leave her following.   A low ranked old woman was either infertile ... or a really shitty mom.   Men would naturally rank lower than women.   No surprise - this is an OHOL village, after all.   Reproductive power is the strongest force.

However, a man (or infertile woman) could rise up the ranks by gathering his own following or proving his worth through good deeds.  It would be harder to achieve a high rank for a man, because you wouldn't get any "free" followers just by popping out sky babies.   But you also have more time to focus on productive work and political campaigns.   In fact, if you focus your efforts on getting young WOMEN to follow you, then you will gain the benefit of their reproductive status AND a vested interest in their reproductive success.  Their children become your subordinates too.

I think this would be a small but powerful change.    Everyone should automatically follow their MOTHER.  Not their mother's leader.   The first leader is the Eve.

schmloo wrote:

Pride? Killing off an unstable town with fewer weapons to fight back with takes very little skill, whereas either helping that town thrive or killing off said griefer before they can do any damage is much harder. Why people want to grief a game about looking after your family is beyond me though.

You are a shameless griefer so any matter of pride, guilt or any higher reasoning is out of the question here, try again.

jcwilk wrote:

Or be able to turn them into clothing.

Fluffy disturbing the smith?...

Why'd you do it Fluffy?
On the porch...

MCzerotacos wrote:

How do you name a person as your heir? Does the one with the most followers become the heir or is the first born daughter/son become the heir by right?

Probably already answered but I dont wanna scroll thrught all the meassges to find the answer. I'm lazy.

IIRC you have to follow your chosen heir and then on death it transfers all your followers to your leader

DestinyCall wrote:

jcwilk wrote:

I wonder if having kids automatically follow their mom rather than follow their mom's leader would make sense... Every benefit of having them follow their mom's leader would still function but the mom would also be able to use orders on her children, like real life, and it would prevent hierarchies from being really flat and boring

I think this is an excellent suggestion!

Jason already addressed this when he initially conceptualized Hierarchies and doesn't 'want moms instantly becoming countesses' or something along those lines.

I guess we also have ~0 veteran players with management skills right now.

antking:]# wrote:

What if leaders got a ding, if a direct follower is threatened, or killed? doesn't tell the leader where it's happing but notifies that their followers are in danger.

This with the order system could create a strong anti grieving system as leaders could tell followers to be on guard because of murders in the area, this would also make leaders have more of a protective role over their citizens

Too much info being given to the top, that should be gathered by them as a default. Good leaders have to be made, not born into a system that gives them everything. We're still 10 days away from being able to start properly evaluating Hierarchy, so don't take anything currently happening ingame as the be-all end-all experience of leaders.

I seem to not be seeing people on my genetics scores who ought to show up there.  My last life, most of my kids show up, but I have two sons (not SIDs babies) who don't.  The life before that, my mother didn't ever show up, and she's supposed to, right?  Is something funky going on with the gene score tallying?  Or has it changed?

Got this working.

Interesting wrinkle is what happens when you're exiled.  You are blocked from receiving the message yourself, but it is still passed down to your followers, who hear it as long as they aren't exiled themselves.  These followers are seen as dubious.

So you can exile a mid-tier leader without ruining the chain of command.  The lower-downs will still get the King's messages, and hopefully jump ship so they can stop being dubious.

I also realized this could be used to bypass the language barrier.  I'm making sure that it doesn't work that way.  You leader's orders will arrive in that leader's language.

Yeah, you're right about hacking this for 2-way radio by switching leaders back and forth.  Thanks for noticing that.

And long-distance communication of any kind doesn't make sense either.  I do want radio to be an out-of-reach someday tech for communicating with outposts.

Regarding being unable to escape from your mother's leader's messages as a baby, why did your mother have that leader if he was so annoying?  Unless he was waiting to unleash his lunacy on YOU, the moment you were born.  But yeah, I guess there would have to be some kind of baby unfollow if messages were unlimited.

Okay, so what about a more word-of-mouthy system?

Forget two types of orders.  Say there's only one, and it gets passed down the tree whenever possible, but ONLY passed to direct followers.

King issues ORDER, ALL FARMERS REPORT TO TOWN CENTER

Whatever Dukes are near the King get this order and see it right away.  Then they hold the order in their order slot, server-side.  When they run into one of THEIR follows, that follower gets the order, holds it, and passes it on to their own followers.

Maybe it will piggy-back speech, so you have to run into someone and talk to them, or maybe just being within some distance of them will trigger it.  You follow them?  Do they have a pending order?  Do you have that order?  If not, then take the order, display it, and hold it for your followers.

For this to work in a sensible way, there can be only one order in each person's holding-slot at a time.  It either came down from above, or you issued it yourself.  And issuing your own order would override the order from above for whichever followers haven't heard it yet.

Now, if you're a baby with a bad leader who is mouthy, you could potentially distance yourself from them so as not to hear the gibberish.  Or there really needs to be an unfollow command for babies.