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NoTruePunk wrote:

This post isn't about updates! It's about the lul in player activity regularly around 11pm to 4 AM central time causing families to collapse

Krauts survived through several of those time periods last week.  There were a completely weekdays family.  I point that out, because there's no way you reasonbly can maintain that no family can do such.

Also, that dip in player activity is by no means the only time that a dip in player activity on a server occurs which results in the permanent death of a family.   I did talk about updates, sure, but it's just the clearest example of a priori dooming of lineages.  There have been days where over the course of a day *more* families have died out due to lower numbers of player activity on their respective server than families *existed* over the course of the same day on the single most populated server.

Suppose there's a crash of bigserver2.  Players end up on server1.  Server1 lineages are doomed, unless enough players would check server1 as a custom server, and there won't be enough players who will check server1 for that.  The change of servers from server1 to bigserver2 for those not checking a custom server causes families to collapse, and those server1 families can't restart.

Suppose player count increases to 200 overall.  There's likely overflow to server1.  Then, when player count overall declines to like 100 for whatever reasons, there won't be players on server1 to have lineages alive.  Such a situation would cause at least some families to collapse, and they can't restart.

Suppose some players end up on server4 for whatever reason.  It takes only two players to have a family mind you, and the first two players make a family if the second player gets onto the server within 25 minutes of the first player starting, and the first player survives to at least 40.  But after playing for a bit, players don't keep playing on server4 after a bit or won't for whatever reason.  The family then is doomed to collapse then, no matter how much they concerned themselves with the survival of their living descendants.  They can't restart also.

The most significant causative factor isn't the low numbers of player activity for families dying off when player population drops isn't uneven baby distribution.  There exists perfectly even baby distribution when no players will join a server for 30 minutes or so!  Changing gender ratio also would affect only so many families.  The most significant causative factor lies in that the system is set up to kill families off *permanently* when player population is low.

As Cogito suggests, some ideas for solving the problems with lineages dying due to updates, redirection from crashes, changes in player population, seem likely to enable *more* lineages to survive through the aforementioned time period on the single most populated server also.

My goodness... You can legit see the footprints of some professional beargriefers. There's like a ton of bears and abandoned horsecarts in certain jungle locations.

While I think the idea of long-term family survival is worth persuing, it's useful to separate families dying out due to 'natural' causes (as in the original post, fertility balance issues in the main server) and dying out due to 'unnatural' causes like a server update.

Any solution that helps with unnatural endings to a lineage will likely allow a naturally ended lineage to be rebooted, however a family dying out due to natural causes is about more than just the lineage ending.

The key question is "Could the players do something that keeps this family alive?"

It is frustrating if it feels like the family will die out *right now* regardless of what I do. If regardless of how much food I produce, or water, or clothes, or whatever, that due to 'unfair' factors my family dies out. All the babies going to another family is an example of an unfair factor. The family dying because an update is rolled out is also 'unfair' but it's a different kind of unfair, as at the moment it is necessary based on how the update system works, and it's not a straightforward thing to change. Things like Eve placements and baby allocation can be (relatively) easily changed, hence this thread.

yay, someone using plots desmos is cool, loved plotting in the baby fire and bell running with no bells
also, I think the galaxy style family migrations were plotted this way

what are these bands? eves spawn in lines now? haven't played in a long time.