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Thank you all, for your recommendations.

This post was just a jab at one of the many things about this game that is taking the reward out of it, for me, and others - the decline of trust that Jason's insisting we use property fences brings. Jason doesn't understand what makes this game so unique, he really doesn't. He wants elements of Rust, Factorio, League of Legends, Minecraft, Don't Starve and Ultima Online (among many other games) all in one package. He doesn't understand that wanting a pet snake and a pet mouse to sleep in the same glass box, is dumb. Or maybe he does and his paternal desires (or his wife's maternal ones) or so cold and dry that he'd be happy to just watch the mouse fight to stay alive, or die.

You've never been here before, Jason. You don't know what you are doing.

Keep this game beautiful or keep your fucking hands off it.
That's my recommendation.

The knife and bow "accidents" were enough, now get your head out of the Global Thermal Nuclear War gutter and try adding more beautiful content to this game, like the reproductive mechanic for player allocation, starting the game as a helpless infant, players breast feeding each other, and, watching yourself age with the music and inevitably dying of* old age. Do you need help? Help thinking of more beautiful things to add?

Things that are beautiful for each person playing, Jason. Not the sort of complexity humans, and life, have added to our history since we started, fucking, cannibalizing each other and evolving to steal proteins from one another. Is it your job, Jason, to justify war? Slavery? Poverty?
Are you going to justify EVERY EVIL ACT life has ever committed over the course of it's existence? How many, then?
Why attempt to justify any of them?
You have one chance, with your one life, to show the world reflections of beauty, and to make it want more.
Don't admit defeat and give in to those who failed before you.
Stop justifying the atrocities for the select advancements in art, technology and deception.

Stop using evil to make good look greater!

Now, as you were.

* - Time has never been a cause of death. Something we can, and will fix with enough knowledge, technology and time, breaks down. On the molecular scale, the cellular scale, the anatomic scale, the social scale, the global scale - even the stellar scale. We need to get our shit together to prepare for the last ones or everything else might as well be happening in a petri dish, on it's way to the school incinerator.

It's about time we get a new material.

Interesting post... has Jason stated what you said in those first three paragraphs, anywhere online?
Or, did you get that from someone else familiar with the engine, or do you know it from experience working with the code yourself?

Seems a little sketchy to say it "it has to come from a hand drawn image" when I imagine someone that has worked with games that generate maps and biomes and terrain details, should be capable of putting to code, the rules, to generate such a map; either a small one, say, 1024x1024 meters wide, or one that would alternate for as long as some set limit, like a memory size for C++, dictates.

I don't know shit about computers, but I've played enough games with generated worlds to imagine what it takes to write rules.
A lot of games are tile based, and even the ones I don't think are, probably are, and somehow lines are drawn in the tiles that make me forget the tiles, looking at the landscapes, but then look at the objects, and how they are placed in worlds, like The Forest, and I imagine there is some kind of tile-like system at work there... but that's never random is it? Hmm, maybe not the best example, how about, something like Life is Feudal - Forest Village, the 3D Banished game? It doesn't look like tiles, till you try to manipulate the world. Come to think of it, you see similar limitations in The Forest, but not until you begin constructing, and then they appear in that exchange with the game; the rules, show up.

Regardless, thank you for making this post Dodge. Just the act of posting in this thread, thank you.

Got me thinking about a One Hour One Life version of Risk, but that's probably because I was making a Risk board from a Checkboard while I was in Jail, and, improvising games from limited material, has been on my mind a lot over the course of my life. Having a younger brother to grow up with, it was part of my job as a human being; keeping us both entertained, while we were 'growing up'.

No one ever says Grow Down.
But trees have to, to get strong roots to stand. Nearly half the tree is the root system. Sometimes more than half.
Not to say anything of the mycelia...

So, yeah. Interesting post, I'll just say that.

Maybe I'll write my own code for painting islands with MS Paint. XD
Fat chance, I'm lazy af.

But, which games have map generators where I could swap out the names for biomes with OHOL names and make it work?

I'd have to think of all the games I've played with map generators; which would be the best.

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Another idea came to me, if there were premade maps, maybe after a run ended, anyone playing could vote on the next map, from a short selection of images picked from a larger pool? Using that questionnaire feature Jason added to the game long ago, but I haven't seen used in, just as long.
Everyone dies at the same time, screen goes black, options present themselves for the next map, everyone logged in gets to choose, after x amount of time, if everyone hasn't chosen, the new map is selected based on the most votes, with a tie going to one at random (as best a computer can be random) and life begins anew from there?

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I was just looking at some pictures in my OHOL folder...

Fucking nightmare fuel.

All uses make sense now.

So, you could say "I yeeted that bitch to the curb."
or, "That motherfucker started yeetin Szechuan sauce at me, out the god damn window!"

Correct?

Someone could even be said to "Be yeetin the streets." in reference to the way they throw down flat rocks to make road tiles?

Maybe?

Does Spoonwood "yeet" posts on this forum?

I think Google/Youtube recommended this video because I was talking about mountains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymPFptR3qxs

I wouldn't go that far.

We're not trying to recreate top down Minecraft here.

But damn, would that be fun...

Reminds me of Otzi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4I4q4d-hA

That was a really good movie, but what's even cooler (is NOT the temperature in the Alps, that's a dumb joke and I should be ashamed of myself for having thought of it) what's even cooler, is that Otzi was REAL.

My little milkweed outpost.

Here I grew milkweed for lassos and carts, and here the sheep lived without fences, so that I could slaughter them for saddles as needed.
I had to have a horse cart to make those walls as fast as I could, and I couldn't count on the other towns having horses all the time, or, finding my last horse in the place where I left it from one life to the next, so, I farmed my own horse carts.

Why am I telling you all of this when this thread was supposed to be about mountains and oceans?

Well, it was a really good time.
A good time I had, with many of you, even though you were off screen.
I knew you were out there and that this would have an impact on you,
so I kept at it.
Life after life.

I wanted to give you something new.
A new problem to deal with.
A new idea, for keeping the arc alive, by separating people from each other, that wanted our families to end.

Could you imagine if I had pulled off completely dividing the arc in half?
If only that town in the southeast hadn't succumbed to it's own confines - those property fence making fools...

Those property fence making fools, are still around to this day.

Give us natural barriers to overcome, Jason.
Don't insist we become our own barriers, to make some dumb point.
Make a good game.
Stop making art.
Maybe your good game will become, more art, than the bad version.

It's your game. Your art to make.
Or is it up to the players, whether it's art or not?

Which do you value more? Yourself, or everyone else?
This isn't a lesson for us, it's a lesson for you.

Make a great game.

Obviously we like this one, we're here.
This was a good idea.
But is this the most you want to give to this project?
Is this THE project? Is this the genre, the engine, is this, the game, you want to be responsible for the most of you?
You want people to find you in this, above everything else you've done?

I have a lot of questions for you, Jason, questions that will probably never be asked, let alone answered.
There's just not enough time in our busy schedules for one another.

Maybe some day.

As you like.

See those dirt piles along the wall?
I wanted to plant food along the whole wall, from both sides, but I figured I'd start at the bottom and work my way up.

I never got around to doing that, as my focus became on the wall itself and getting it up as quickly as possible so it could stand the 10 hours needed for it to become permanent. I figured I'd get back to those piles after I was satisfied with my progress. But, that I would start at the bottom, also, because people following the wall would be flabergasted at the site of it, and after having run the length to the bottom, might be low on food, so they would need a snack to recharge for the trip, either, back up the wall, or where ever else they planned to go.

Those were going to become remote corners, where people on either side could observe each other, but not kill each other... nor help one another.
But having something similar on both sides, may have made a person on either side, consider just what the game had become about. And whether or not they wanted to continue down that path, or turn back.

Will this link work?
https://onemap.wondible.com/#x=10&y=-90 … 1568062892
If so, follow the wall at x=0, south, to see it on wondible's map.

In the top right corner is an icon with layers, click on that, and put a check mark for "graticule"

The point of that wall, was to create a barrier people on the East, and West side would have to deal with.
I'm not saying I wanted to divide people, I wanted to give them security from each other, on either side, while imagining myself settling with a hole in the middle, between the east and west side, where the two families on either side would have enough defense to keep the other from breaking through, if it came to that.

I looked at what I was doing, in a lot of ways, during and after, having done it.

You can use wondible's map to see the progress I made on the wall, with each life.

In the URL, https://onemap.wondible.com/#x=10&y=-90 … 1568062894 there is this part, t=1568062894, that is the UNIX time for the data stored. If you change the 4 at the end to a 5, one second later, you will see that is when the new rift was created.

A character's life is 60 years max, 60 minutes, 3600 seconds.

If you want to jump 60 years of game time, you'd subtract 3600 from 1568062894, but that's Math. That's dumb, and so am I, so I just like to round numbers.
Round 2894, the last 4 digits, down to 0000 and you have this https://onemap.wondible.com/#x=10&y=-90 … 1568060000
1200 seconds is 20 years of game time, close enough to 1000. 10000 seconds is about three full lives.
You want to progress forward and backward by fractions of a life, adjust the 4th digit from the end.
You want to go forward or backwards by a couple hours of played time, adjust the 5th digit.
You want to know exactly how much each digit equates to, well, you're in luck, I haven't done the math yet, so you can tell me after you've done it.

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No. No wait!

It's not that cool...

The map starts at https://onemap.wondible.com/#x=10&y=-90 … 1567997133, and it's the same map.

I thought wondible's map had a timelapse feature, and it would have showed things that way but, I was wrong apparently.

Never mind.

Just keep in mind, if you zoom out, I did the X of white road tiles as well as the wall going up the middle...

All between 1567997133 and 1568062894... (without being more familiar with UNIX time, that just looks so meaningless.)

This v 7!
1567997133
Changed to an 8!
.....v
1568062894

Mind = Blown

But it was 7.99, and it only changed to 8.06...
... still, that's 0.07... of the 7th digit... pretty amazing... when you think of it that way...

I'm going to go do something else, cya.

But what I really found in those woods, was myself.

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Sup Rook!

Could we, come up with a solution for this problem?
I mean us, on this forum.

Can we, at least, imagine, that this is a sort of pen and paper or statistical problem that we can solve?

I have had many ideas over the years, while in various situations... like, in 2001, I was actually homeless for several months and traveled around. I lived under a bridge, I slept in coffee shops, I stayed in vacant homes - even after the home owner had come home and relocated me to another vacant home of theirs, further downtown, where the neighborhood was 95% black, but the houses were beautiful homes all, I would estimate, 50-100 years old, made when the Midwest was booming post WW2, as the iron, copper and coal industries switched over from making machines of war to automobiles and home appliances. I was homeless in 2001 in Indianapolis. Prior to that I lived in Grand Rapids, Michigan from fall of 99 until spring of the year 2000. And while in Grand Rapids I found a lot of work that just barely kept me off the street.

I have some ideas for how to deal with the housing problem for the poor.
Designs for cities, streets and structures.
Changes to laws and attitudes that would take generations to become culturally normal.

Let's look at some curves.

The bell curve.

Boy wouldn't it be nice if things were like this?
The poor and the rich at opposite ends, the middle class, cozy and fat, in between?

It's not like that. The range of incomes and wealth...

Oh, it's a left modal with a positive skew alright.

Except it's more like this.

Something like that.

But where is the bulk of the curve?

Billions of people with thousands of dollars worth of wealth, each, right? Where is that bulk in the curve that gives it it's supple shape?
Where are the millions of people with millions of dollars?

The United States is probably 350 million people, Earth is 8 billion, 8,000/350=22.86, 22.86*11.8M=~270 million households around the world worth over a million US dollars? In your dreams.
What is the wealth per capita of the US compared to the rest of the world?
What is a household?

Here is some more info on adults, around the world.

Nearly 3 billion adults have less than $10,000 in wealth.

How do we expect those people to afford homes?

Perhaps a new view of what a city layout should be, is in order?

What is a household?

People need to eat, people need to stay warm enough not to freeze to death, people, use their brains to navigate their environments, and those parts of our environments we spend the most time; that we become most familiar with, that we personalize, where we are comfortable enough to sleep, become our homes.

Millions of people... billions, are getting by with next to nothing for food, clothing and shelter, compared to billions of others.
But the ones we should be most concerned about, have nothing what-so-ever of value to the most of the world. Except for maybe a vote, a little labor, or as pawns in political/economic/religious chess, they have nothing.

Can we keep them alive in new cities?
Can we keep them healthy?
Can we give them enough environmental comfort?

How do we get them homes?

There are so many things to argue about, just on this one matter. But the more we, who have homes, argue, the longer each of them goes on suffering.

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Comfort is not hard to find. It doesn't cost much.
Just a place to sleep, mostly. We're okay being less comfortable awake. Walking the streets, the rivers, the beaches, sitting at libraries and parks, looking at monitors, people, and the rest of the environment itself. There are too many things in this world to occupy a homeless person's time; too many leaves blowing in the wind, to watch, as they find muddy puddles to settle in.

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Property value is a real thing, despite money being what is is for now, the environments where people live, work and recreate, have value, to each person.
A lot of values.

Let's take the RCI values of Simcity, for instance, (I like to think of them as RICE; Residential, Industrial, Commercial, Everything in between) and consider where we find homeless people and why. First, we had nothing... well, even that isn't entirely the best way to look at it, but, we had the clearings in the woods we slept and lived near, and we had the food we gathered and shared. Maybe going back to the very beginning of homo sapiens, or even hominids, isn't the way to go about this, but, it should give you a better sense of whats valuable and why people want to be near it.

But for now, let's look at a modern day city.

Let's take a look at some things regarding Dover, Vermont
ZONING BYLAWS - https://www.doververmont.com/sites/defa … 202007.pdf
Zoning Map 1 - https://www.doververmont.com/sites/defa … ngmap1.pdf

Zoning Map 2 - https://www.doververmont.com/sites/defa … ngmap2.pdf

Zoning Map 3 - https://www.doververmont.com/sites/defa … ngmap3.pdf

I especially like that last one; "Sensitive Wildlife Resource Overlay District" meanwhile, according to you, Jason, they're like "Get out of here, you bum!" and there is no low income housing districts, no land where people are welcome to sleep freely, no places designated for people who don't feel like they belong in any other, but want to be near any one in particular. Of course those things don't exist, no one plans for people to be homeless, or, householdless.

None-the-less, homeless people are attracted to the same resources as non-homeless people; especially people themselves. And not for their resources, but for their company. (Not their jobs, or their businesses, you dolt; their companionship, their characters, their, conversations.) So where can we accommodate these individuals who want to be, in a place, but don't necessarily want to do all the things that place expects of them, to be there? Well, you can lower your expectations and embrace more people, then, once embraced, raise their expectations of themselves; raise, their standard of living. But how are you to do that with the most challenging people, if your plan does not accommodate those most challenging ones?

What I am getting at here, is that the line should start, at zero. Zero, expectations, should be in place for everyone, from the start. Just being alive, should qualify people for being somewhere. Homeless people need a place to be accepted, all the time, forever. This is the district of the employers, this is the district of the educators, this is the district for community services, this is, The District, where life begins anew, for people who wish to provide purpose, to each other.

There needs to be a place where homeless people are not stressed to integrate into other parts of society, first, and then there be a scale, a zonal gradient; if you will, for each district, as to what degree of expectations people have for one another.
(Maybe that is a little too far, but I trust you get the idea.)

There just needs to be a place where wealth starts at zero. There is no guarantee that wealth, which you would think would start at zero and continuously work it's way up over the course of ones life, there is no guarantee that human beings are not going to find themselves back at zero, at some point in their teens, or later in life. We must accept this as part of the reality we live in, where we use money to represent value, and place that value on land and property... but not people?
Not on people themselves, but on the services they provide for one another.

There needs to be a place where no service is expected of people, and no debt is accrued just being there.

Or we will have to settle with a universal basic income and low income housing to match, or, accept that there will always be a homeless 'problem' or, stop seeing it as a problem... The more you accept as a part of life, the more experiences you open yourself up to, both good and bad, but of course, these people are homeless, of course most of what they will provide will be bad, from money's perspective.

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I'm so emotional right now... I can't finish this post.

I wanted to add structures to downtown scenes.
I wanted to talk about how homeless people are willing to risk their lives to sleep in unsafe environments and how that can be incorporated into bylaws and codes.
I wanted to draw plans for cheap, little homes that could be mass produced, like Buckminster Fuller might have done.

I'm just so mad right now... at a big chunk of people who have lived for a small chunk of life's timeline, for letting themselves become complacent in the overturning of values; from people, to money and the blurring of the line that distinguishes the two from one another.

I am going to give up on this, just, for right now.
Just, for a moment, and let this wound on my heart, fester and/or heal.

We CAN solve a great deal of problems, this is one of them.