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Crumpaloo wrote:

Dodge wrote:

@Crumpaloo So irrigations,anvils and medicine?

For irrigation how do you think this could be technically implemented with the current system we have ? And also what about soil?
Wouldnt it be better to have farming machines like tractors with engines, you could load them with soil,water or a tilling tool to industrialise farming

Anvils would be redundant but why not, seems like an aesthetic update if it doesnt allow to do more than the flat rock

I agree for better medicine a way to carry sterile pads to have actual medics since we already have a medical apron and pain medicine maybe to die slower and give more time to heal wounds

Is your post more about aesthetics and the "feeling" of not being a caveman and having preshistorical looking objects/constructions/clothing etc and less about technically new usable stuff?

Architecture and intern aesthetics has always been an important tool in dating the age of humanities development, imagine how confused an archaeologist would be if they found a prehistoric iPhone dated to be from that time. But along with aesthetics needs to come functionality otherwise it will all feel hollow. As it stands right now the aesthetics of radios and cars are vastly out matched by the amount of cost, time, and functionality. So if we are going to get new historical inventions, i feel like they should also have the same weight of functionality as cost, and as it stands that is not the case.

I have a post on the reddit and forums about irrigation and how it would be implemented, its a little old though and i dont know if it would be ok to link that from this post but i assume that it shouldn't be too hard to find it.

Why would it be not ok to link it in post?

With the current game engine i dont see exactly how this could be done since there is no tile interraction, except the rail cart maybe i guess he could do a system similar do the rail cart like a steel pipe on each berry that goes to the water pump you would still need to use soil on it tho

The thing is, he isn't really putting stuff in, in order. So I absolutely agree that it seems like we are getting stuff far too advanced compared to the current level of tech in the game, but he is probably going to add in more older tech too. I think the end result will be a more smooth and gradual increase in complexity as tech advances. Over the sort term, this is what you get though.

@Crumpaloo So irrigations,anvils and medicine?

For irrigation how do you think this could be technically implemented with the current system we have ? And also what about soil?
Wouldnt it be better to have farming machines like tractors with engines, you could load them with soil,water or a tilling tool to industrialise farming

Anvils would be redundant but why not, seems like an aesthetic update if it doesnt allow to do more than the flat rock

I agree for better medicine a way to carry sterile pads to have actual medics since we already have a medical apron and pain medicine maybe to die slower and give more time to heal wounds

Is your post more about aesthetics and the "feeling" of not being a caveman and having preshistorical looking objects/constructions/clothing etc and less about technically new usable stuff?

To answer the original question, new players are not bad for a village. If anything I would say they are more neutral. Some times they fail, but it doesn't take that much effort to turn them into a positive.

Nice essay but watch the trailer again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT4JktcVQuE

We are REBUILDING the civilisation, which means something like an apocalypse occured (lore is not clear yet, if there is even one) and we are rebuilding from scratch, so historic time periods are irrelevant, we dont even know if they are humans (think about it eve spawning from nowhere and popping babies out of thin air)

We could have a whole year of updates with prehistoric or medieval stuff but that would become very uninteresting and redundant

i dont care what you explained, you are spreading wrong information and I will call you out on that.

It's not worth making popcorn over pie like you keep saying. Pip efficiency is a tiny little metric you invented that has almost no aplicability, which my """""big""""" formula you ignored demonstrated. Yet, even when other variables are excluded and pies are shown to be better you insist the post is about pip efficiency. Except you claim popcorn is better than pies, which is absurd even if you compare single pie to single bowl of popcorn.

You're not defending your idea, you're defending the poor approach you've taken to it. The fact you don't realize pies and popcorn have the same minimum amount of food in case of maximum waste just show that, like destiny said "There is a problem at the core of your food theory and the math related to mutton pies helps to illustrate it in a very clear way.   I think you really need to take a step back and re-think your approach to pip efficiency if you want to identify which foods are really best for the village."

You're way too over yourself claiming people should make popcorn, saying mutton pies are wasteful and overall failing to understand that  even without costs its better to have 16 bites of 15 than 16 bites of 3, because you have to waste 12 pips per pie bite before a pie gets as bad as popcorn. Same number of bites, same cost, same amount of pips when eating, mutton pies win everytime. This post is irrelevant and pip efficiency too, which what we've been trying to politely tell you. We've shown you how better foods simply have more food per cost, show you math that allows you to compare foods at pretty much all costs and conditions you could desire and you insist on eating popcorn without making a single calculation on how much waste impacts overall food production (which you could do with my formula and again, ignoring costs).

I will not leave a thread defending a stupid idea. if you wanna have dellusional thoughts in your head it's up to you, here you will be confronted by the reaelity that you don't understand how food in this game works. Your point that foods with more pips waste more whn overeating is obvious and says little about how efficient a food is, which is why everyone here is telling you to go past that. But even worse, in examples like rabbit pie + berries versus rabbit berry pie, and popcorn versus mutton pies you go as far as saying that the less eficient food overal is more pip efficient, which isn't even true. berries + rabbit pies have a minimum of 6 x 1 + 4 x 1 food, berry rabbits have 4. Popcorn and pies have the same minimum food value of 4 x 1, but pies have to be wasted more than 3/4 before they give less food than popcorn. Like I said before, there is a minimum of one food per bite and that cannot be ignored when calculating the chance food will be wasted.

You think we are being assholes? I think this post is dumb as fuck and you refuse to accept it.

I realize you won't like hearing this, but a lot of the hostility you are feeling is due to your attitude and your reaction to conflict.   You were being hostile toward people who disagreed with your stance, so they reflected that hostility back toward you.   It is a vicious cycle, all too common when debating topics with strong opinions on both sides.   Instead of sharing diverse viewpoints and coming closer together on common ground, lines are drawn more firmly and both side dig in, certain that they are in the right, clearly a victim of misunderstanding, and that their is nothing more to say. 

It's a shame, because once communication breaks down, meaningful discussion ends but the shouting can continue for ages.

but why make popcorns when it's cheaper to produce pies even with waste accounted?

shouldn't popcorn be yum only? popcorn is a maximum of 48 food for 1 bowl of water and one bowl of soil while mutton pies are 60 food for 0.25 water.

This is where pip efficiency shows just how much of a non-factor it is.

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Crumpaloo wrote:

In that teaching i probably could of planted 20 berry bushes. Teaching a new player something you could of already done in the time it takes to teach them is just being lazy and looking for someone else to do it.

You would have PLANTED twenty bushes?   Please stop helping.   The berry patch is too large already.

If only someone had taught you to bake mutton pies ...

but you are wrong, you said many times the number of bites doesn't affect pip efficiency and it does. Each bite has a minimum of one food, which directly correlates to a bigger pip efficiency when compared with the same amount of food. Not just smaller bites waste less, each bite has a cap that is also an element of pip efficiency. You saying numbebr of bites doesn't matter ignores that.