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But why not immediately? If he released during the day instead of at the end of the day, he'd spot the problems and fix them immediately instead of leaving his players with an unplayable game until the next morning.

You seem to be under the impression I'm demanding Jason do more work. That's not at all the case. I'm suggesting that he plan his release schedule with the expectation that he may need to fix something immediately post-release. In other words, schedule releases during the middle of his working day rather than at the end.

Jason wanted clothing to be desirable in any biome, so he made it slow down temperature changes:

However, clothing is still undesirable in jungle and desert, because in addition to slowing down temperature changes, it also adds heat:

The consequence is that if you are wearing clothing and spend time in the jungle, your temperature will eventually reach max hot - even though the target temperature for jungle is only as hot as the other biomes are cold. Clothing does not protect you from hot climates, it only protects you from short-run heat shock if you temporarily walk into or across the hot biomes.

Note, though, that as I mentioned immediately above, that same clothing harms you when you cross from the jungle or desert back into the other biomes. While you are in the jungle or desert, your clothing pushed you further away from the center because clothing adds heat. That means when you return to the other biome, your heat jumps back to the cold side, but stays that further distance away from the center (because Jason doesn't want you to ever move closer to the center when you cross biomes). But then your clothing KEEPS you further from the center and STOPS you from getting warmer, because clothing slows down temperature changes.

Jason: Clothing should probably not add heat. It probably should move your temperature closer to the center, so that it warms you in cold biomes and cools you in hot biomes.

The convection mechanism has weird consequences.

Consider a fire in the middle of a 7x7 room. If you are standing in the middle of the room, your airspace is 49 tiles with one fire and an average border R value of W (whatever the R value of a wall is). If you are standing two tiles away diagonally, your airspace is 25 tiles with one fire and an average border R value of W/2 (since half the borders of your 8x8 grid are now open space, with a zero R value). So the convection heat is about the same as in the middle of the room: same number of fires but half as many tiles, so twice as hot, but half as much insulation, so about the same heat after the heat loss through the airspace borders.

But if you're standing in the corner, your airspace is only 16 tiles with one fire and an R value of W/2. That means that the corner furthest away from the fire is about 1.5 times as hot as the center of the room!

Yes, that's compensated for by having less radiant heat in the corner. But the point is that the convection component is behaving in strange, counter-intuitive ways. It doesn't depend on the airspace around the fire, it depends on the airspace around you.

That wasn't intended to be a moral judgement about emotionally engaging with a video game. I think you should get invested in the games you play! I do! Including this one!

I was offering the advice that OHOL is not oriented towards the kind of engagement you seem to be seeking. You're trying to keep returning to your town in life after life so that you can keep it going. This is counter to Jason's intent with the game. I'm not saying you can't or should't play how you like, I'm just warning you that by playing that way you will be fighting against the developer, and you will lose that fight eventually, perhaps often.

But if you stand up your own private server you can play how you like and not need to worry too much about what Jason does.

I've mostly stopped reading your posts. You make great points in every post but it's no longer worth my time trying to find them among your poorly-formatted text and gratuitous rambling.

This rather obvious suggestion has been made approximately over nine thousand times. It's doubtful Jason will ever implement it. He wants children to be a burden; it's a core part of the game.

The heat shock is hard to understand, hard to reason about, and hard to deal with. It also solves a problem which I can tell has been high on your mind but which I think is actually of very little consequence, and thus doesn't need (and shouldn't have) such a complicated and frustrating solution.

People don't jump back and forth between hot and cold tiles, except in two cases.

The first case is Tarr, trying to show how much he can bend and break your game rules. But even here it doesn't really buy him (or anyone else) anything of interest. The second case is babies, who are the only people ever likely to park themselves on a single spot for a protracted period and try to keep a perfect temperature by dancing back and forth between two tiles.

And the entire effect of having a hot tile near a cold tile that you can dance between is nothing more than you would get by building a fire. You can make a fire anywhere, but you have to be lucky to have a hot/cold border near where you want to be standing. I think even without this heat shock mechanism, there will be very little hot/cold dancing going on. People will just make fires.

The big change you've made is to make deserts as bad as arctic and jungles as bad as the others. This alone solves the real problem that's been taking place, which is people settling near the borders of deserts and swamp so that they can build the bulk of the town on a good temperature (desert being much better than the others) while having water close enough to make a farm. THAT is why there are towns built on hot/cold borders... not the relatively minor (nearly trivial) effect of being able to stand on a perfect tile.

Because nobody stands on a tile. People move. They're busy, they have work to do.

When you put it like that, then yes, that's exactly what I do as well.

... except the pants. I don't even bother with pants.

I never did any of this (well, most of this). Temperature management has always been (to me) a waste of time and energy. The only concessions I have ever made to temperature management are a) as a baby, stay on a perfect temp spot (fire or a hot/cold border) because otherwise you'll starve or interrupt your mother, and b) as an Eve or early settler, put the berry farm on desert or jungle so that the mass of people who spend most of their time in or near the berry farm have their food consumption dramatically reduced.

For my own personal temperature management as a capable non-infant, I have always ignored clothing and biomes (other than avoiding protracted trips into the arctic). Obtaining clothing is expensive, and the penalty for being naked is ignorable. I produce a surplus of food and have no problems obtaining and eating food as often as needed despite being at equilibrium temperature with any of the biomes (except arctic, which is easily avoidable). Doing the kind of active temperature management you describe above has always seemed bothersome and extraneous.

I can see why you might find it an interesting challenge to optimize your temperature, much like some people (including yourself?) find maximizing yum to be an interesting challenge. I don't. I find it a distraction, as it has little practical effect on the rest of what I view as the game's main goals and challenges: survival, progression, and legacy.

That was a bad idea. You should never expect anything in this game to last. It might, and if it does you can certainly take some pride and pleasure in it, but don't get emotionally invested in something such that you'd be upset to lose it. There's any number of things that could happen, for both in-game and out-of-game reasons.

OHOL is not a civilization-builder. If you want to play it that way, you're better off doing it on a private server that you have control over.

runserver.bat has some commands that start with "mklink". Those commands show you which links need to be created. They need to be created in the server directory and need to point to the appropriate subdirectories of the parent folder.

I'm not sure anyone has correctly stated the Eve-spiral-recentering logic. I've read a couple of things but I'm not convinced they're correct (or even coherent), and I haven't checked the code.

I'm pretty sure the previously created cells would be exactly as they had been left (although any not seen in the previous seven days would be erased). However, new cells won't be created in that place any more, at least not for very long. The tutorial zone gets pushed further away from the map center as people are born, so as soon as someone is born (or Eve spawned? not sure) in the previous tutorial region, subsequent tutorials will be placed something like 50k further away from there.

Not sure what you mean by "the tutorial update resets daily".

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If the goal is not specifically to spawn as a fertile Eve in the tutorials but rather just to start a town from scratch out there, you can of course act like a pseudo-Eve and just steal a plane, fly out to the tutorials (if someone's made a runway, which you can be pretty sure Tarr has done), and build a new city to your heart's content.