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#252 Re: Main Forum » Quick status update » 2020-08-28 18:55:17

We can produce an order of magnitude greater of CO2 as long as we have an order of magnitude greater of plants to absorb it.
But over the last 100,000 years or so, human being have been steadily, and ever more rapidly, cutting down trees and removing their ability to reproduce and absorb it. Before human being there was an estimated 1000 gigatons of biomass on the Earth, 850 gigatons of it was in trees, now that number is down to more like 450 gigatons and the total mass of 'alive material' is more like 600 gigatons.

Meanwhile the deserts on this planet have grown stupid fast and people are trying to attribute this to Milankovitch cycles, which, no doubt have played a part, but we have also played a huge part, cutting down trees ever since the invention of stone axes and the discovery of fire. We can, not only reverse this, but help the Earth to see more biomass than it ever has before, simply by giving more trees places to grow. Their cells need, almost exclusively, water and carbon dioxide, and we can, via industrial processes provide the globe with an abundance of carbon dioxide, as we have proven, now, we just have to provide the landmasses where trees CAN grow, with the water for their cells to survive and reproduce.

Here, our mastery of industrial technology, especially in the form of pipe making for vast networks of oil pipelines, comes in. Shit, we could do it with aqueducts Roman style if we really had to, we just need to move more water inland where it can evaporate in shallow inland seas, creep along the ground, get absorbed by lichen and grasses, which then give way to shrubs, and trees.

It is not too late, for us to do these things. We can create shallow seas the size of the Caspian, in deserts, over the course of a hundred years, at the sorts of flow rates that oil pipelines are capable of, if we really want to. Considering how dry, hot and low the air pressure is in those regions, evaporation will occur naturally.

Any other necessary chemical elements can be redistributed similarly, either through industrial technology in the form of networks of trains or trucks, or, with the help of water fowl and livestock.

Complain about money and you deserve to die. Work to alter the land for the sake of your family, your country and all life that will benefit, and you and your cultures will flourish in the abundance of resources that will follow.
Afterwards, if you want to implement systems that have lead to the billions of personal farms that exist where people sell crops on the market, so be it, but for now we need to get plants in those regions that will shed leaves and needles as they grow n die, year after year, building up the soil and detritus the way they have in places that have had them for millions of years, then you get the fungi, the worms and everything else to spread an follow suit, but we must start with the water and the basic ingredients for cells to hold their shape and reproduce.

Start small and work our way up, and by small, I mean on the atomic scale.
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Once we are sure all things are in place, we introduce the seeds and spores of life to make up for the deficit of those things that are dispersed naturally.

Point is, we can't sit around waiting for rains to bring water to these regions, we have to pump in the water ourselves and that is going to be the hardest part, once the water is in place, most of these processes will take off on their own; that's what life does.

The most dangerous part of the industrial revolution was not the factories, it was the chainsaw and, these beasts:
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#253 Re: Main Forum » Jason, an idea for community engagement. » 2020-08-28 17:08:01

Gogo wrote:

not wars as I wanted.

Why would anyone want more games about wars?

Aren't there enough simulated ways to murder, other life forms, including members of our own species, as is?

Where are the games about promoting life? The way we emerged 4 billion years ago? The way we can do it, to every world, orbiting ever star? Perhaps even the stars themselves.

Where are the love letters to life's very existence? To the transition, of a thousand gigatons ('teratons' is not yet a common word, but someday it will be, when we think, and act, bigger) of material, once not alive, and then, 100,000 years ago, living? Where are the lamentations for the over 400 gigatons of life the Earth has lost over the last 100,000 years, as humans have gnawed through the living trees that we once called home, that we have now fell to build and burn, as we transitioned from hunter gatherers, to farmers? I'm getting upset. It's not all that bad, we have exchanged quantity for quality, that is certain. Our crops, far more useful to all the animals of Earth, than the trees we have removed to plant them, have their benefits in terms of our metabolisms. They're more useful to us. But what good is more food, when we struggle to breathe?

Imagine a world with twice the plants, twice the photosynthesis, twice the rate, of oxygen, being converted into carbon dioxide, and back again.

We need to help life get back on it's feet.

Searching for my next point, reading headlines like "1.3 Billion Tons of Food Are Wasted Each Year" it's hard to compare that to the 400 billion tons we've removed completely, from all the biomass of Earth. That stuff was once alive. It was reproducing, growing and breathing. And now it's gone, thanks to us. At least, thanks to our ancestors. But we can bring it back to life, if we want to.

For decades I have been considering what it would take to turn the Sahara, into savanna, grasslands, forests and maybe even jungles, marshes and swamps, and, it all comes down to water. Cells, of any kind, be they animal, plant, fungus or any host of micro organisms, their primary ingredient, is water. Once you have that, the lipids can form cell walls and all the carbon based molecules, have a medium in which they can do their magic. Of course it would be nice if that water was fresh, as the high levels of sodium and chlorine in seawater are not conducive to osmoregulation which is one of the key mechanisms for cells to maintain homeostasis.

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I am tempted to stop here, as this subject is a bit far afield from my original point. But I want to hammer this idea home; we can, with the technology we have mastered making oil pipelines, bring in large amounts of water from the bodies of the Atlantic Ocean, Mediterranean Sea and Indian Ocean, into large reservoirs of deep in the Sahara, where it can be allowed to evaporate and diffuse into the air and ground, creating, a continuous circulation of water as larger and larger organisms absorb and transpire the moisture.

I'm done being chained to this post for now, but I want to leave you with a few videos:
1. Louis Armstrong - What a wonderful world ( 1967 )
2. Veritasium's Where Do Trees Get Their Mass?

And an image:yShMFiN.png and I want you to explore Google Earth or Google Maps, and zoom into places all over the Earth and just see how much of it is now farmland, as opposed to forests. Then look at the great deserts of the world, like that which extends from Western Africa to Northeast China, Spans Australia, and will soon, Span the Western United States, unless we do grand scale things to conserve and replenish these areas, with water and plant life. Even if it's just turning these vast swaths of Earth into more croplands, but especially if we turn them into forests and allow the lungs of the planet, to regrow.

Bonus content:
3. Anton Petrov's China Shocked The World By Planting Billions of Trees...Our Turn!
4. Megaprojects' South-to-North Water Transfer Project: China's Redistribution of Natural Resources and, if you are of the conservative western mindset, stop being such a lazy triggered pussy, talking shit about China while they flex on the world, and let's get to work setting our own great projects into motion. Stop making excuses, while the west rusts and let's work together to get some shit done. Real shit that billions of people in the future will be proud we accomplished, in our lifetimes, so that our countries, our regions, could afford theirs. Don't get jealous and think of your militaries; think about threatening China because they are making us look bad, think about what we can do to compete with them and stay in the race.

Now, I really leave this post with this one final story from my childhood, regarding Isaac Newton, as told by Ethan Brown on http://coolmathstuff123.blogspot.com/

Ethan Brown wrote:

Let me tell you an interesting story about Newton. When he was a young student, he was very shy and not at all the genius that he is known as today. One day at recess, a bully came up to him and punched him in the stomach. Newton chose to fight back, and proceeded to shove his face in the mud. All of his classmates, who did not like this kid, cheered him on as he proved his superiority to the bully.

After this incident, he decided that physical prestige wasn't enough for him, and he wanted mental prestige as well. So, he started working much harder at his schoolwork, and soon after became top of the class, proving to everyone that he was smarter than the bully as well. This motivation could have been what turned him into one of the best scientists and mathematicians of all time.

I think this story shows that anyone who has drive and dedication can become a genius, and it also is a story themed around the negativity of bullying. I also like it because it is an interesting aspect about a mathematician's childhood, which help people get to know who is behind what they are learning and practicing.

Learn, Practice, Become.

#254 Re: Main Forum » Quick status update » 2020-08-28 00:02:10

jasonrohrer wrote:

A flat map?
In 2020?
Disappointed.

'Hey guys, don't worry about global warming, Greenland is nearly the size of North America and COVERED in ice. We're fine.'
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'Globetarder!'

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I'll stick with my Orthographic projections, thx.
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#255 Re: Main Forum » Quick status update » 2020-08-26 21:47:52

Dodge wrote:
Morti wrote:

But, if you really, REALLY want me to, just give me an hour to get cleaned up and get some coffee, and I'll continue on.
But only, if you want me too.

Not really no, i could present continuous graphs and data showing that there has been ups and downs in temperatures in the past but i'm pretty sure it wouldn't change anything so yeah.

You can't present anything to defend the stance you're defending because it's not your stance.
It's someone else's.

#256 Re: Main Forum » Quick status update » 2020-08-26 21:20:28

But, if you really, REALLY want me to, just give me an hour to get cleaned up and get some coffee, and I'll continue on.
But only, if you want me too.

#257 Re: Main Forum » Quick status update » 2020-08-26 21:12:09

Grim_Arbiter wrote:

I thought it was the greenland ice core project at first glance, which does show that temperature has drastically swayed both directions for the last 100,000 years without modern human involvement. The graphs dont really line up though.

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That pic is just the last 10,000 years graphed. There's others with the full 100,000.

I just want you to look at the paper cited in that picture and realize it has nothing to do with the data displayed on that graph.
It's 14 pages long and the time ranges in the graph of the paper (page 2) are from 10-16 thousand years. Whereas the graph you share only goes back 10 thousand. People make those images so people like you look stupid sharing them, I'm sorry, but you have fallen for a troll. Both of you have.
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Care to try again with another citation? Either of you? Anyone else?

I don't find it funny that people make my friends look like idiots.
Some people might love scouring the internet and laughing at people like you, for defending the images they fabricate for laughs, but both of you, me, and Jason, we have real things to concern ourselves with; this beautiful game, and each other.
Let's not ruin our relationships over these things.

Dodge, this is the earliest use of that image you shared, on the internet.
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This website was made in 2007 by a company called eNom LLC

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The image first appeared October 11th, 2008
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALe … F2010&tbm=
The image itself is composted of completely fabricated data that is not representative of anything published on the Vostok Ice Cores prior to 2008

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Here I fell asleep and there are too many tabs open and I don't really care to pick up where I left off.

I love you Grim.
I love you Dodge.

#258 Re: Main Forum » Quick status update » 2020-08-25 22:33:01

Dodge wrote:

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DestinyCall wrote:

Is this graph supposed to prove or disprove global warming?

Or warn us of the impending ice age?

I've also saved this image to imgur in case the shady link Dodge shared disappears, as they do, as their sources vanish and people down the chains of such post disappear, or websites fail, or links like this go missing behind walls. https://i.imgur.com/IcbbFrD.jpg Imgur will also go the way of photobucket and many others someday, I have little doubt, and so millions and millions of images hosted on their site will also be left as dead end links, but I am willing to bet that i.ibb.co... will fail to carry on hosting this image before imgur and all it's links, go the way of so many other image hosting sites. Time will tell.

As for the use of this image, it is used on many climate science denial vlogs, science being the key word here as it's done and reviewed by peers of people who are dedicated to not only the subject matter, but presenting an accurate model of reality to the rest of the world. Whereas vloggers with personal, political, agendas who are not subject to the scrutiny of their peers, but, in the case of conservatives, cater to small crowds with wealth and large crowds with low levels of education, care little about their own reputation and more so for the ease of which they can drive to McDonald's for a cheeseburger whenever the urge compels them. And who doesn't love a cheap, low tax, lump of meat and an inexpensive drive with the AC blasting, windows down, engine fires encased in a quarter ton of steel?

(The hell was I going with this post? Oh yeah...)

While looking for uses of this picture, I found a nice, cherry picked, post on Quora:
JZSKa6H.png It's much longer than that but I especially relate to the smoking part, having been one myself for 20 years, however, not having discussed my health with doctors, because I either couldn't afford to see them, denied visiting them for apathetic reasons spurred from youth by unkind, wealth-incentive motives, or, have resolved myself to living what Christopher Hitchens refers to as a "Bohemian Lifestyle". None-the-less, I can relate, because few of many have afforded me the option of the less wise path in regards to my unhealthy habit. If, greater wisdom comes with time, as it so clearly does. Wisdom = time + experience - apathy - neurodegeneration.

"It’s roughly equivalent to a smoker visiting 100 doctors, being told by 97 of them, “hey, you should really quit smoking,” and responding with, “fuck it, what do doctors know—three of these guys weren’t so sure.”

Not that I wouldn't quit if someone I loved enough, and who loved me, and who I clearly had a shot at a future living with, distracted me from the habit with all the other joys of being alive. Though, I fear my stubbornness might break them, before they broke the cigarettes from my hands.

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One thing I would like you all to note about that image, is the lack of any citation.
The person that made it, and those that share it, clearly do not care if you investigate it's sources.
They don't actually want you to go to anyone but them, for your opinion.
They are not the kind of people that care about you, Dodge.

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As for the topic of climate change, I'm all for it.
We should engineer this planet. Fuck mother nature until she is a quivering mass of flesh and machines, dripping, with the children of Earth as she dances around the Sun. This IS our planet, and so are all the others. Until they say otherwise.
About time we start acting like we own them. The anthropogenic aspect of global warming is a signature of mankind's ability to alter one of many properties of this entire planet. We have raised the global temperature as a result of our actions, this is not something to be ashamed of, it is something to be proud of. It's as though we have nudged a gigantic boulder ever so slightly in one direction. And now we are shocked by the fact that we, actually, made it move. Now, we must decide, what to do with it, and our newly discovered strength. Do we push it back and leave it there, protecting it from anyone that would have it any other way? Or do we push it around more, until it breaks free, and build a future from it, along with all the other rocks like it that we can get our hands on?

Don't be afraid of what might happen if you do, so much as what will if you don't.
Take control, to the next level.

#259 Re: Main Forum » Quick status update » 2020-08-25 01:59:19

antking:]# wrote:

now it is literally on fire

For one, this happens every year in California, and elsewhere on Earth, if people don't like the state they can just geet out. Same for the planet.

For two, every home - nearly every home, on EARTH, has at least one fire burning in it to heat it's water, on top of that, every car, every business, every industry.... all burning wood, gas, coal and petroleum.

WE ARE ALWAYS ON FIRE AND ALWAYS WILL BE

#260 Re: Main Forum » Quick status update » 2020-08-25 01:54:31

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I read it's bad, from sites dedicated to it, but it isn't even making it on the news of the television I walk past 10-20 times a day, which is always playing CNN unless Jeopardy or Wheel of Fortune is on.

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The moisture from the Atlantic is keeping most of the dust and soot out of the air for the eastern half of the United States.
You can play around with the settings yourself https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/w … ,44.42,680

Check dust in the air:
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Change the sizes of particulates:
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Check CO levels:
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Check CO2 levels:
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"Particulate matter in wood smoke has a size range near the wavelength of visible light (0.4 – 0.7 micrometers)." It's 1-10 micrometers, 2.5 µm is a commonly used measure.
https://www3.epa.gov/ttn/amtic/files/am … wildgd.pdf

Also, I streamed trying to make a gif of nullschool data over the last month. So far I am failing to make a gif. https://www.twitch.tv/abitoftheuniverse

#261 Re: Main Forum » Quick status update » 2020-08-24 21:51:38

jasonrohrer wrote:

Grim, what part of the US are you in?  I'm pretty sure you've told me in the past, but I've forgotten...

And Fug, according to the smoke plume map, this crap has made it all the way to The Heart of It All, where you live in Ohio!

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Definitely the worst US wildfires in my lifetime....

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No detectable difference in air or sky (cloud) quality here in Northeast Michigan.

#262 Re: Main Forum » Animal husbandry and breeding for improvements » 2020-08-22 01:44:05

DestinyCall wrote:

I don't know.  You would think it wouldn't be that different, but I am not a game developer, so what do I know?

It was a highly requested feature on a modded server I used to play on a while back.  Unfortunately, whatever the problem was, it wasn't a simple fix.  I lack the coding knowledge to explain the issue any better. 

I just know we were left holding our own babies, like a one-armed alcoholic clings to his last beer.

Maybe it was just an excuse, to buy time; to find time, to work on other things, while we all mulled over the matter.

#263 Re: Main Forum » Animal husbandry and breeding for improvements » 2020-08-22 01:40:56

Spoonwood wrote:
Morti wrote:

Jason not adding the sling, or at least holding off on it, is trying to teach us, or convey via the game, the responsibility of caring for a child.

I don't recall any assumption that the baby would always be fed if in a sling.

I don't share that assumption either, it's the hands, that are important.

For now, we need to be taught the priorities, as to how, when, and where, to use our hands.
We need to understand, how important these extensions of our nervous, skeletal and muscular systems are, and how positive; how powerful, an influence they can have on one another, truly is. It's something more and more of our species is sorely lacking, as children, and as adults.

These hands xWdjiBT.jpg are capable of so much more, than we are yet aware of. So much that we have forgotten, over the ages, so much we have yet to realize. Each of us with them, can do far more for one another, from simple gestures like hugs and handshakes, to our ability to control the world's most powerful machines. Typing a letter to your father, to your son, admitting your thoughts, frailties and concerns for one another.

I love you.
I'm still alive, and I still, love you.

Starting there, staying there, taking that with you everywhere you go, being inside it and trailing it around the globe-
We have to understand the power of these hands, before we plunge them into other worlds and make more of ourselves.

But for now, lifting up our children, holding their heads to our hearts and giving them a view of the world, from our height, these are the lessons we need to review. It's a big test. The biggest yet. And some of us are concerned, we see people struggling with it, we're not sure, what to do. We forget, the hands of our mothers, our fathers, and those who loved us, deep in the toybox of our memories. How important, how formative, how, influential, all those hands have been. All there is no reason, they could not still be. So long as we are still alive.

#264 Re: Main Forum » Animal husbandry and breeding for improvements » 2020-08-22 00:44:07

DestinyCall wrote:

Huh.

And here I thought it was because the game engine does not support attaching two player characters together on a technical level.  From what I've heard, it creates some really hilarious visual glitches/ hybrid abominations if you try and it would be a real headache to fix. 

It is basically the same problem that prevents vehicles like horse carts, cars or planes from carrying passengers.

Then how does a mother pick up a child and carry them on the same tile??
Jason isn't dumb, he could make it work.
We, on the other hand...

#265 Re: Main Forum » Animal husbandry and breeding for improvements » 2020-08-21 22:05:57

DestinyCall wrote:

shouldn't we have a baby sling by now?

Okay, it's not entirely our game or Jason's, we're both teaching each other things.
Jason not adding the sling, or at least holding off on it, is trying to teach us, or convey via the game, the responsibility of caring for a child. Having to juggle caring for your child while also trying to work on other things, is an aspect of the game that we need to learn from, regarding real life. It's basically Jason telling us we can't neglect our children, IRL. This is an important lesson; I can say this from experience, as I think my mother was probably a good example. She was single when I was born, already had 4 kids with another man she had recently divorced, had a kid with my father, and a kid with my little brother's father a year and 3 months after I was born, and neither my father nor my little brother's father stayed with her to help her with me, him, or my 4 other siblings. So for my entire life, and the life of my little brother; for the last 42 years, she has been working many jobs to provide for her children.

I have always known my mother as a workaholic, but as I child, and even still to this day, I felt she neglected many important aspects of child rearing and the process of reading my little brother and I for adulthood, and so, he and I are at present, ill equipped and poorly prepared for independence. My little brother far less equipped than I, as having to be an older brother to him while my mother was busy working and our four older siblings, let's just say, weren't always there for us. But video games were, and are, still there for both of us and have absorbed loads of our attention over the years. As well as television in his case and the internet in mine.

My situation was a complex one, and, depending on how you look at it either typical of the average, overworked, American single parent household, or, atypical of the average upbringing in general. Many things distracted my mother from being more attentive to us over the years. She watched A LOT of television herself when she was at home, I was a very demanding child and later found myself in a lot of legal and scholastic trouble. My mother was implored by the courts and the school system to seek psychiatric and psychological "assistance" to account for the difficulty, and I was subsequently injected into many drug programs to make up for the lack of guidance I received from adults, as, my mother had few friends to help raise me, since she was ashamed that she had allowed a man, married to another woman with 3 or 4 children of his own, to impregnate her...


LOOK, it's complicated. It's a mess. THE POINT IS, you have to give children more and more attention as we get deeper and deeper into the future that is also seeking their attention, or YOU WILL lose the one chance you have to see them off to a good start in life. This, I FEEL, is the reason that Jason has not rushed to provide us with more ways to neglect THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of this game, which is, OTHER PEOPLE.

Don't get me wrong though, people around the world, and throughout time, have raised wonderful children, even though they used strollers, cribs, babypacks and slings. Even though they sat their kids in front of televisions and bought them video games, their kids still may have turned out well if they also balanced those sort of NEGLECTFUL behaviors, with love, attention, concern, compassion, engagement, encouragement and guidance, throughout their infancy, childhood, adolescence and even into adulthood.

Good, hardworking, successful, and ADAPTIVE people, are NOT BORN THAT WAY. We require tools; social tools, knowledge, examples, experience... passed down to us, from those we look up to; from those who have gained those traits before us and can pass them onto us, ever so more efficiently than those lessons were passed on to them - we REQUIRE these things to continue to become better as communities, cultures as a species and on the grandest of scales, as life, as the Earth and as the Universe.

We can only teach ourselves so much at a time.
Intelligence can only get the individual so far in life.

Now, this brings me back to the reason I tell people I love them on a regular basis. It's just as much for them as it is for me, because I can recognize that it's easy for ME to forget; to slip up and to ignore the attention that all of you, and all the new people that come to this game, deserve. Compassion is the lubricant; the catalyst, that encourages this flow of information that we receive through our senses and accumulate and prioritize in our heads, FROM THE DAY WE ARE BORN.

In order for this world to be better for me, I recognize it needs to be better for you and it needs to continue to get better, for all children born from now on, or else, it's going to get worse. Worse, in that we will ultimately become less capable of insuring our survival as a species, and, potentially lose our potential to carry life and all the possibilities that come with it, to new worlds, where even more potential for future's exist.

In the same way that we recognize the potential of atoms and molecules working together to bring about life, and for cells and organisms to work together to make creatures like us possible, we must recognize we as a species and life as a whole on this planet, are similarly organized and the next level for such tiers of organization, will be for new world to work together, for the betterment of all life in the universe itself......


...this is why we don't have baby slings, yet.

>_<

We just need to show that we have a surplus of compassion for one another for Jason to afford us, to see us deserving, of the slack WE can afford.

I think... I think that's why.

#266 Main Forum » My apologies to Awbz » 2020-08-21 20:03:53

Morti
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In one of Porthos's streams I suggested he have a Transformers soundbite so I could play it for you.... I'm so sorry.

Today, while looking up your mod, I thought to myself "Which transformer was it that turned into a lion? Or even had teeth like that?" Then I did a few google image searches for your avatar and
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How could I have forgotten the face of "VOLTRON: Defender... of... the Universe!"

I loved this cartoon as a kid, but, forgive me please, it is a little tangled with memories of Transformers and... dare I mention, GoBots. It's been awhile.

It's been awhile.

(I mostly collectd G.I. Joes, He-man, Thundercats, Silverhawks and M.U.S.C.L.E. figures, but I did have the red cat and my little brother the blue one, if I recall. Whereas some other kid in my neighborhood had EVERYTHING Voltron, so, I just went to his place if I wanted to play with them.)

#267 Re: Main Forum » Why won't Jason consider marriage » 2020-08-21 19:27:40

This is a pleasant thought; keep on him about it, and flesh out how it may work as an example.
Would kids be 50-50 each parent?
More likely a color in between the two parents, if that's possible?
Would it be based on genetic dominance, where traits like dark brown or black hair, or brown eyes, are more genetically dominant traits than blue eyes, green eyes or blonde or red hair?
Or, would the genetic score play into what traits the offspring have???
Maybe a ginger, red haired mother with a genetic score of 55, marrying a black man with a genetic score of 50 would be 5%, 10% or 50% more likely to have kids with ginger or caucasian/white traits as opposed to brown or black ones?

If women married each other would that influence their children as well?
What about men marrying each other? No children, less adoption becomes a thing, but, I don't see the harm in letting them share property, or extended families... If a black man marries a brown man for access tot he brown families well rights as his own, then divorces him and marries a ginger woman, would she then also inherit the rights to the brown family's well and be able to have children with him there?

These questions, and many others, will be answered, in the next episode of... SOAP!

#268 Re: Main Forum » Animal husbandry and breeding for improvements » 2020-08-21 19:09:29

You guys... don't get it.
Jason is making our game.
When you stop, he stops for you.
Get back to work making your game better.

#269 Re: Main Forum » Animal husbandry and breeding for improvements » 2020-08-21 05:56:28

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Imagine a gooseberry bush that only produced 1 berry that gave 1 food, every 10 years, because no one cared for it.

#270 Re: Main Forum » Animal husbandry and breeding for improvements » 2020-08-21 05:32:40

mrbah wrote:

a bit example is of course the dreaded milkweed and it's monopoly on rope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toyOKOi0DsM
What if x balls of thread made a piles of y lassos via a machine like this (see link) that took two people to operate along with an adze, froe, mallet and knife, just to build the thing.

I'd like to see a building dedicated to carpentry become more of a thing. One that would eventually be occupied by a bandsaw, tablesaw, jigsaw, lathe, etc., all operated by electromagnetic motors. I'd love for people to be able to make furniture, like real shelving units, chairs, desks, stools... and maybe even beds, but I've not considered their use... maybe as a warm place to AFK, or, as a place to recover from illnesses and be treated by nurses.

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As for selective breeding of crops and animals, I could see this working as a chance sort of thing when offspring, be they the fruit, vegetable or animal is selected, or separated, from the parent organism. Say, there are 3-9 possible states, and taking something from the wild starts you in the first state.

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The number of genetic ingredients added to a recipe could be added up and the bonuses summed for the recipe.

So, if you have +0 food wheat, +2 food berries and +1 food carrot in a berry carrot rabbit pie that, would give +23 per bite.

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And, for simplicity's sake, on a simple 3 tier scale, all +0 ingredients is basic, all +2 ingredients would be high quality and everything in between could be good.
OR
All +0 could be considered low quality, all +2 could be high, and everything in between, unlabeled; just normal.

How to make this work with the wide variety of reproductive methods (seed acquisition) for each plant... would be tricky.
I want to say you pull a berry off a normal bush, it has an x% chance of being higher quality, let's say 10%. You can then choose to eat it or include it in a recipe, or, get the seed and grow a better bush, which then has % chance for better or worse berries, until you get up to, a bush producing 90% of the +2 quality berries.

Deciding what happens when you throw an array of berries into a bowl from +0 to +2 quality, and mash it or use it, could be simplified the same way; all +0s, low quality, all +2s high, everything in between, normal.

Keep in mind tracking all this new data uses more resources, how much more I can't say, but I can see many people enjoying the challenge of getting exceptionally high quality foods, being very proud of the time and effort they put into their crops, and being utterly distraught when their work is ignored in their absence and they return, lives later, and people have planted all +0 and +1  crops in place of their +2s, say, in the case of carrots.

Animals could work similarly, though, let's say, sheep, for instance, could produce +0 +1 or +2 wool when sheared, or mutton when slaughtered. Then maybe we could use those excess balls of thread in a rope making machine to produce long coils of rope that could be used at full length for greater projects, or cut with shears, knives or flint, into smaller lengths of rope, down to the base value used for many projects.

Regardless, woodworking and breeding, of both crops and animals, could use the sort of attention to detail, and rework, that iron has gotten in the last year, and water (wells) did the year before it. Will it upset people in the present, yes. Will people in the future look back and be glad it was changed to the newer system? Time will tell, but probably yes, if it makes more sense and adds an interesting element to the game the present or past systems lacked.

#271 Re: Main Forum » Remember » 2020-08-21 00:04:26

karltown_veteran wrote:

Everyone always calls me Karl haha. My name's actually Anna.

Unfortunately I can't compare livers while drinking liquor, being a teenager and therefore a minor.

Good health to you!

Thank you Anna. It means a lot to me, coming from a younger person, that you wish me good health.
I don't know how much that will change my unhealthy behavior, but I can see it giving me a second thought when presented with the options to partake in them. Unlike Chicago, I live in a small town, in northeast Michigan. These are the sorts of things I see in my front yard, on a regular basis.
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I like being up here. I have lived in Grand Rapids and Indianapolis, but there is a blend, of nature and humanity, of dark skies and street lights, that I associate with home. I've never been to Chicago, but I imagine the proximity to Lake Michigan would make it feel a little more like home than say, Indianapolis did.
I think if I were to ever find myself in Chicago, I would be drawn to Urbana; to the Fermilab. It's a place I imagined working as a young teenager, back when I was torn between the areas of particle physics and cosmology, eventually settling on the grander scale of things and teaching astronomy. I think the decision for the government to fund the repair of the Hubble space telescope and to cease funding on the construction of the Superconducting Super Collider, also played a role in my own decision there. I wish we, as a nation, had done both.

I suppose I assumed you were a male in your early twenties, good to know you are younger and, will, see even more of the future from this point on, all things considered. Maybe this game and this community, will stand the test of time, and maybe, maybe we can still have a convention someday, even if it isn't a 'conventional' type of gathering. Maybe we can just meet in a park or in a public space and share stories; our best memories of our experiences, in game, or, as a result of the game. Maybe a panel as a part of a larger convention?

Who knows?

Who knows what the future may have in store for people who stick around and stand the test of time. I know few people see the comparison, but I am regularly reminded of my time and experience with game's like Dwarf Fortress when I think of games like this; that exist on this scale. I'm not sure if this game will persist the way DF has. I'm not sure there is enough here, without people to enjoy it with; the best experiences being so dependent on the existence of others. It's really hard to say for sure but until the future comes, we are free to imagine the possibilities.

And manifest them, if we are so willing.

#272 Re: Main Forum » Jason, an idea for community engagement. » 2020-08-18 05:10:52

Dodge wrote:

Funny that you didn't mention the name of one ohol streamer in particular that is the real reason for that post, since you want him to interact with that specific person.

I mean, since you mention it, why don't I?
You're all welcome to come and interact.
ALL of you.
https://www.twitch.tv/abitoftheuniverse

#273 Re: Main Forum » Remember » 2020-08-17 17:42:28

One of these days karl (I know your name's not karl, take it as an abbr. for karltown_veteran) we're going to have a meetup in the midwest for all the most diehard One Life players and when that day comes... I was going to say we should see who's liver is healthier. big_smile Though I'd be happy to challenge you via the hotel's nearest liquor store's supply. But that's probably not a healthy way to have a good meetup. Maybe one of these days I can come down there and visit you and your cat and we can all drink some milk together and chase small animals around the house.
<3

Good health, karl.
Good health, to you, your feline and your family.
May we all, meet, under the stars.

#274 Re: Main Forum » Jason, an idea for community engagement. » 2020-08-17 17:26:50

Dodge wrote:

Life advice from you sounds great... maybe in a couple of years i'll enjoy watching people getting slaughtered too

I'm so sowy my words hurt your feewings sad

And dont give me that whole speech sure there's some disagrements and exchange of words sometimes on the forum but compared to other communities in the same field it's one of the less toxic ones, you should see the communities of some other games.

Also totally because of me and not you spamming the forums and then getting banned that you took a break...

I can think of plenty of other reasons why the forum has very little activity.

Morti wrote:

That shooting vid is just saved & shared for historic reasons.

"historic reasons" btw

You're very observant, Dodge.
Are you a woman?
I'm just asking for a friend.

#275 Re: Main Forum » Jason, an idea for community engagement. » 2020-08-17 17:23:53

Gogo wrote:

Jason only listens when someone is doing what he's doing to players with unliked updated - forcing him. Bobo's vids about slaughtering towns forced Jason to add updates about posse, I think Jason was nervous that time.

And what happened after that? Updates with new content happens. Gush of new stuff, to the point of paved roads, cars and 'diesel oil'. I don't think he would be that much productive from 'working together'.

Gogo, you're a far more respectable person than Dodge and I'd much rather engage with you, than reply to the post I see they've just made as well, so I will. I, don't so much want to 'work' with Jason, as I don't have many skillsets I think he'd find useful in his line of 'work'. However, as a person, I would like to pick and plant in his head, regarding, as I said, our shared outlooks on the future. I know games, are... how do I put this, game projects/ideas/concepts can be coveted, in much the same way scripts for movies are. Remember the days when 1492's 500 year anniversary came around and every American film industry was eager to get their version of the story out? Or, when Armageddon and Deep Impact were released, or, Mission to Mars and The Red Planet... etc. These movies fought over a place in history, and with them, so too the corporations, directors and producers involved.

But I really don't care if my ideas are taken and interpreted by others. I'm okay with that. It's not the credit I'm after or the place in history, it's the result, that I want to see set in motion. So far Jason is the closest person I've been in contact with that I think may have some ability to see some of those ideas... just not die with me. Though I am aware that all the things that went into giving me such ideas, are out there in the world, I also recognize some unique things that may just be, only combined in the cake that is my head. I think I have some senses of solace that may help clear the dust, time and time again. I don't know how else to put it.

It's not even really about the game though, any future game, it's just more about me and him. I know everyone of you admires him for many reasons, and some of you... you may even dislike his practices more than I, but HE IS PRACTICING and that is more than I can say for myself most of the time.

Even if his games are small :} he has big ideas, and I want ... I want a friend too.
Someone I can relate to and find a reflection in. I'm a very selfish creature. smile

I don't know what might happen to me in the near future.
I'd like a moment, a time, where from then on I can remember what it was like for us to have shaken hands, or to have hugged one another and can remember each other from then on, with fonder memories than before.

That's all.

Then maybe we can make interesting games together, or whatever happens after that.

I just find it hard, to focus on some of the important things I feel I should be doing, which keep me away... things where I risk my life, my health and my future, when I consider the people responsible for what I've left behind. Even if they are just playing characters. They're still playing, and that's better than not being around anymore.

It's funny, demon expressed a concern to me that Jason was spending too much time on Twitter. I interpreted that far worse than what I saw there. He's just using the platform to share his work, at least, that's the way it appears on the surface. And that's all I have to go by.

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