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OHOL has always been more violent than NYC was in the early 80s based on these graphs. It's a level of violence that is probably only found during wars. Only there aren't any coherent conflicts going on... It's a game so it *should* be a bit more wild than normal life. But, if we want to be invested in these lives emotionally rather than just treating them like plopping in another quarter to "continue" I don't think the murder rate can be very high. Frankly, it makes murders less shocking and important.

I think an ideal level would be that in about 1/4 lives you might witness a murder in your town. In 1/200 lives you might be the victim or killer. That lower rate make it a much bigger deal when it happens and something that you don't forget.

I think it makes sense that old backpacks hold fewer items, and they are dangerous to use. I do think maybe knife should have priority for staying in during a decay event. You'd put the knife in the most secure part of the bag... so it should fall out unless you have 4 knives.

I agree that organizing with baskets feels pointless because they decay. Organizing with boxes is better, but too expensive and not item dense enough. I have a basket that is 100s of years old in my family it's still being USED (not a museum piece!) as a sewing basket. So, the whole "basket got old!" thing never sat right with me.

The idea that stacking them, or putting dirt in a backpack "resets" them seems to be a myth.

But I would cheerfully invest time and energy to make storage that lasted for the ages.

We also need books to store precious papers (and let the papers not in books decay please.)

I guess what I'm trying to say is:

S T O R A G E U P D A T E

I really just wanted people to stope being mean to each other and to Jason.

This didn't work. AY.

Total lives isn’t the same as server population?

Do those spikes go down because people stop killing or because people who get killed stop playing? Increases in server population seem to go with increasing not just in the amount of killings but also the rate. So, are newer players being slaughtered and they don’t come back?

Yeah, I don't think not being able to curse people in other lines mattered much when people were more spread out. But now? If your idea of a good time is killing a bunch of people who are just working there isn't any consequence.

People doing raids because they have been forced in to it by shortages can curse back and would be in groups meaning they would not get hit with many curses. Lone wolfs just killing because they can could get cursed by a whole town-- so I think it's fair.

Same it’d be like IDK crying because your friend got blown up by a creeper in minecraft

Genocide yes peoples have been wiped out land, wealth, and resources looted many times.  But that’s at a nation level. Just killing the family that lives near you isn’t productive or normal, who will your kids marry? Who will farm the land and generate wealth? And since this killing is still going on in Tutorial town too it’s obviously isn’t about survival. It’s about killing for fun.

IRL killing for amusement is deeply destructive to any civilization. In this game it’s at least counter to the goal of building civilizations.

Humans have always been violent. Hunting and gathering tribes suffer from as much violence as people with towns. In some ways the purpose of civilization is to create conditions of peace and trust since both are essential for trade. But if 10% of the people born in your nation are sociopaths who think killing is fun you just won’t ever get there.  IRL such people are really really rare -in games much less so- which is why games need to be designed with mechanics to curb those tendencies to more normal levels if you want cooperation. What we have instead are mechanisms that encourage nasty behavior by making it free of consequences and anonymous. All that to shoehorn the “Meta” of people not trusting outsiders. It just feels contrived.

I've stopped using /die except if I haven't been Eve or in an Eve camp for two days or more then I spam it to get there. I haven't been en Eve in a long long time. I love Eve camps too! But when I was a brand new player I found towns were a bit easier to not starve in, and I was excited to see all of the tech. Personally my favorite part of the game is when a town runs out of water and you need to rush to build the first pump or engine. I love how people take on different jobs to support the larger project:
-getting kindling
-keeping the main fire going and stacking wood there
-getting iron
-smelting wrought iron and steel
-Making food (pies, soup, berries, burritos)
-making rubber
-making the hammer, lathe etc.
-drilling for oil
-building roads to oil and nearby springs
-making kerosine
-making the engine parts and the engine
-Cleaning up bones and clutter
-making clothing (wool or rabbits)

There's just so much to do!

Once the engine is there I feel like people are less excited. But I don't understand why??? Now you have all the water you want and with compost all the soil too! Now you can make MASSIVE farms and tons of milkweed and make enough for your town and your neighbors too. But often it gets side tracked by murders at this point and I just find that frustrating and pretty boring.

Same. I can see the appeal to trying to leverage Greifers in to a natural part of the threats in the game. You have wild pigs and snakes ... and griefers I think that Jason seems to be looking for ways to structure the game so that destructive people are just another challenge, as they are IRL. It's not a terrible idea.

There are some stumbling blocks however:

-being killed by another player randomly without cases its emotionally different than being killed by a pig. Even when you *know* you did nothing to deserve it you ask "what did I do to them to make them so angry?" Your death is the result of someone with agency, not a blind killing machine like a NPC snake. It makes you wonder if you are welcome, if you are a good person. If you are being told "go away you are not wanted here" because there is a person behind those actions.

-griefers, like most players, exploit any game mechanic that they can. Closer spawning? No curses? Excellent! Butter knives (it used to be that a knife with butter works as the sword did at first)-- does it "make sense" in the world of the game? irrelevant. Now I rather like the way that players find loopholes and exploits in games (Tutorial town) -- but when those loopholes are used to make everyone miserable it not only break immersion, it breaks ones ability to make progress.