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that's put nicely

i agree

one should use yum, it's there
but not hunt for it
it should be a tool & not a goal in itself

as long there is no baby sling the nomad life is a huge chore, impossible
everbody telling something else is lying
i've been to some attempts & that was before the temp update & they all failed than one
one time it was successful & that was not even a real nomad life but only a mother skilled enough to keep her kids alive while she was hunting, i was one of her kids
all other attempts were die outs, lost among trees, killed by boars, wolves, bugs or just starved to death

it's probably somewhat easier with the zoom mod but i refuse to go easy on a game, i prefer to play vanilla to see all the problems without skewing googles
if the game is not fun & fascinating enough in vanilla, then it's just not good enough & needs more options
additionally you cannot control if the people you're playing with are using the zoom mod, so ...

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plants don't work like that

what i like about OHOL is its reality alignment

therefore milkweed should stay where it is now & how it is now - a feeble, hard to use wild plant, which can be cultivated on a small scale but is hard to use still
cause if milkweed would be an actually good source for fiber, for thread & rope IRL then humans would have cultivated it & use it commercially, but since this is not the case, so there are indeed better alternatives

hemp is being used worldwide since its discovery as a main source for ropes, the more ropes were needed the more popular hemp became
it was replaced only for special usage which required even stronger ropes with steel ropes & then later with synthetic fibers made out of crude oil
but to this day, hemp is the main source for a certain quality needed from ropes, cause synthetic ropes have their disadvantages also

so

hemp
linen
cotton
cocos (coir)
jute
straw
sisal

those are the actual plants which should give actual good ropes & which should be cultivated,
not milkweed

also the beauty of reality is there are more ways to obtain something, there are more sources, which give different qualities
this makes life interesting
one way, like now milkweed for rope, is making the game boring

it's already interesting that we can make thread from milkweed & from sheep wool !!!

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yeah, since milkweed has been nerfed i nearly never plant milkweed anymore
it's highly ungratifying now
& i liked to plant before lots of milkweed farms

the rope situation is quite irritating

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@pein

since you are undoubtedly meanwhile the expert on sheep pens

could you be so kind & make a guide how to make as simple as possible sheep pen out of actual fences ?
additionally what are the best options for its doors, which solution is the least prone to griefing ?

to expand that thought,
i am also highly interested in town planning

where to put a center ?
what had to be the center of a town ?
should there be a center ?
how well do towns function which have no center ?
where to put a sheep pen ?
where wheat farm ?
carrot field ?
how many carrot rows for how many people ?
how should the main roads be layed out ?
what relation is to be drawn between roads & wells ?
where should be placed the nursery ? near a bakery ? near a berry farm ?
where to place the forge ? does it have to be separate from the pottery ?
what are successful designs of the berry field ? do towns with several berry fields do better than with one ?
...
questions upon questions

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i've been traveling once as a kid of an experienced mother who gave birth middle in the prairies to several kids
we all survived ! & made it back with her to the town & without the necessity of hand holding
that was quite hillarious !
but that was in an open prairies space
all my journeys so far that went through trees ended up either with death of all, death of the others or my death, hand holding will be still useless in such cases

& drop dead because we've forgotten to eat,
yeah, happens to the best of us

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sorry, i don't want even an inventory

there are virtually tons of games with the inventory solution

the absolutely unique thing about OHOL is indeed that all happens in the main action field of the game & not in a managment field

the only other field is the type speech field & those few stats we have, reduced to a minimum

i will compare some games that either don't use or use inventory

Dawn of Man
one of the reasons i decided not to buy it is how they treat goods in the game
one doesn't see them even, it's all an inventory thing afaik
the trade takes place in the inventory

TS4
that was also one of the reasons i hated about that sequel, how things were handled via drag & drop within the inventory & not in the field of the game itself
TS3 moved already in that direction but TS4 was the overkill
while TS1 didn't even have an inventory in its beginning !

why i don't play all of the mobile farmville games - i have to drag & drop them literally per hand instead of the minions
with an inventory i would be handling it & not my avatar in game - that's crucial !
the funny (or cunning) thing is, if you look how many of those games are being advertized, in the ads the minions move the things while in those games as they actually have to be played i have to - that's why i don't play them

Impressions Games titles (Ceasar, Pharaoh, Zeus ...)
what i loved & still love about those games is the goods are all visible in the game itself
nothing gets teleported, you see every good transported by people & stored in warehouses, granaries in the main field of the game
you need to connect everything with roads to make it work

Foundation
here again, goods are being transported, have to be transported io to arrive from where they are to where they have to go
i hope the game stays that way & improves upon that (it's early access atm)

The Settlers 3 & 4
that was the main appeal of the game
the life took place in the main field, every good was visible again, there, not in an inventory, not in spread sheets, not in some bar or some number displayed

The Patrician franchise
i tried to get into it, couldn't, because it was a spread sheet feast

i have already problems with how games like Banished handle things
with all the management windows moving the happenings in the game into the background

an inventory is removing the actuality of the life from the game
OHOL as it is now is a life you live - not a game
that's its strong point, it's moving emotionaly
an inventory, would make the game more gamey, i would hate that
even if the goods were better manageable

i think rather more in game options like a shelf, a locker would be better
same as with baskets, bowls, backpacks, boxes - every good is visible, it's a 1:1 thing, nothing is imagined - the game invokes realness that way
you might not notice that, but you would change your attitude towards the happenings in game if you'd move things to an inventory or a spread sheet
the atmosphere of the game changes & your way to deal with the happenings changes, they become distant, you become detached

is one of the reasons i don't use the zoom & the awbz mods
it makes the game gamey
it's a stat window plastered over the main screen where life takes place
the window becomes your life
the life in game steps back

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aha, you mean if i make a chest out of a box, then i have not that issue

understood

every OHOL player has to know that :

a seeding row of carrots - decays within 10 minutes

a bunch of straw separated from where wheat is threshed - decays within 4 minutes !!!

a wheat sheaf - doesn't decay !!!

an undisturbed threshed wheat - doesn't decay !!!

a wheat seed - decays within 2 minutes !!!

a gooseberry seed - decays within 1 hour !!!

a gooseberry - decays within 5 minutes !!!

tule stumps after reed is cut & harvested - decay within 1 hour !!!

a reed bundle lying around without tule stamps - decays within 4 minutes !!!

now new

a carrot seed - decays within 5 minutes !!!

a milkweed seed - decays within 5 minutes !!!

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decay = despawn

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along that list i'd say, Jason has based the new milkweed seeds & carrot seeds on the gooseberry & not on the gooseberry seed

though even if based on the gooseberry seed, with carrot seeds & milkweed seeds it's a different mechanic
wild gooseberries are not as seldom as wild carrots & wild milkweed is even more seldom & therefore more precious
additionally, especially one milkweed plant gives not even one thread but half of it, needs at least one bowl of soil to be domesticated & cannot be revived
same as carrots seed & cannot be revived by one additional soil bowl

i find despawning of carrot seeds & especially milkweed seeds very problematic & quite unneccesary
the change introduced now is like one singular carrot would despawn BECAUSE it is lying as a one singular carrot & NOT as a bunch of carrots
this doesn't make any sense

i understand that a gooseberry decays, it's moist
i even understand that a gooseberry decays, it's singled out of a gooseberry prone to decay
but carrots don't decay & milkweed stalks don't decay, so why should their seeds ?

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carrot seeds & milkweed seeds were forever before

wheat seeds despawned quite fast since ever

but i experienced only one time the decay of carrot seeds, so didn't retest
the milkweed seeds vanished from my backpack, so i don't need to retest - they are despawning !

decay of seeds is easily overlooked, cause how many have the time to check ?

but i would greately appreciate it,
if in general, seeds stored in backpacks & baskets, same as in bowls wouldn't decay as long they are in them

& i don't appreciate it that i will be destroying carrot seeds & milkweed seeds
because i am on a rabbit hunt & not carrot seeds hunt !
& on a rope hunt & not on a milkweed seeds hunt !

this will have a major impact on the gameplay

i understand the joy about them despawning in towns, i bemoaned the junk yard often enough,
but in the wild ?

have you considered to approach the matter from a completely different angle
the proactive one ?

1. the meandered tryout solution :

A) you decided & designed your game as open source & public domain, having mainly PC in mind, since afaik you have no plans to port it to mobile & consoles (your action)
B) someone ported the game to mobile (their reaction)
C) you don't want to be mixed up as the autor of this port (your reaction !)
D) the game has a mobile feel, one of them - regular content updates !!! (your action)
E) the game depends on regular updates (their action)

suggestion to close the tap (pun intended ?)
F) from now on copyright internationally - all your content updates - (your action)
G) the mobile game happened but what will they have to do if they are not allowed anymore to update it with new content you provide for free ?
i'd guess, if they go legally, then they have to make their own content, this means the game will develop in different directions if they are lucky, if they mess up, then the game becomes slowly unpopular because they don't have a creative genius in store (if they had, then they didn't need your public domain open source in the first place)
they can oc still pull their copyrigt infringement act (their reaction)

2. the clean solution :

i still think, your main problem is created by the absence of your original game on mobile
the PC situation is a completely different one because there is "the original"

so the cleanest solution would be to find an option for you to port the game for mobile officially
this would move every other port where it belongs, to an unofficial port corner, no matter what the makers do

3. the stubbornly creative solution :

you just treat any problems resulting from any mobile port as spam & set it to an automated response
& just forget about being mixed up because your answer is clear as day - there is no other game of OHOL than on PC -
you can include that line into those responses

this solution works oc only if you can stand unperturbed by your initial idea - to make the game public domain open source
& can sever yourself from people bothering you with their stuff, mainly probably regarding making money
should they sue you because of the copyright infrigement, then you can develop an additional strategy from where it is actually happening,
cause so far that danger didn't materialised
& should you get sued for China only, then you can treat China as the mobile market - block their communication per automated responses, hire a lawyer for chinese market
your game is not in chinese or any other than english language anyway, so ...

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