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you stated from the beginning the same - you don't want to be mixed up as the developer of the mobile port
if they were serious about mending the frictions, then they would have asked some lawyers by now how they have to word it correctly, so there is no misunderstanding among their players

but i suspect meantime, they just hope to get you where they want to have you, namely to succumb to the greed & sign your name under their mobile app
yeah, a nightmare

one thing is uplifting though
apparently you created something that's addictive enough to spur such a debacle

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i hope this stays main content of the gameplay
if the randomness of the people i can play with vanishes then it won't be fun anymore for me to play
the lack of control over the things & the people is what makes the game interesting
i am even willing to tolerate being griefed & being murdered, because that's a part of that randomness

then  let me explain it to you

it's not that someone is not keeping the baby or killing someone because of whatever
it's that someone was asking a player to identify themselves in game as part of a group formed outside the game, on discord
& because they were not part of that group, so they were killed
not the part of being killed is here the problem but the part of the identification

& if
what those players of that group are doing is correct, conform with how Jason intended the gameplay & the servers, then
it means that they have the right to claim ownership over the things they've built in game & will remove any other player who did not identify themselves as part of that group
& then it should be clearly communicated by Jason, so that there is no wrong logging in on the wrong server

in my eyes, the group hijacked the server but that's just my estimation of the situation, i have no saying what Jason has intended
if i am wrong, then ok, i will reevaluate the game since i've been playing it the wrong way, being a random unknown spawner as a random person to a random area & random family
& i've been telling other players that this is the right way to play OHOL
if i was wrong about that, then i want to get that clarified now

because that's not about "a playstyle"
it's about if collusions outside the game are replacing now the lacking gameplay about to know game coordinates, to know the other players, to respawn into the same location again & again
so far i thought all that was not intendend by Jason
but if i was wrong then i have to reevaluate, because that's a completely different game & many things included don't make much sense to me but maybe i've seen it from a wrong perspective, i would like to know

i think at this point only @Jason can clarify what is going on here & what is allowed & what is suitable

one thing is clear to me

if people are allowed to pressure players to disclose who they are outside the game
& if they are allowed to boot out everybody identified as not part of a closed select group made outside the gameplay itself

then you don't need to worry about me at all,
rest assured, i won't be playing this game at all anymore
you can have all the servers completely to your disposure

cause this practice will spread like cancer
people who group outside the game will play it, every other non-participant of any of the elitist groups will avoid it
& not only on the low population servers but on all servers

& here i thought the game improves & now this

"you're just not allowed to be born in the town we spent days building up from scratch, if you don't wanna be held accountable"

wow

"not allowed"
"held accountable"

so you want to sue now everybody who is trying to play on the servers your hijacked & in your precious private town you've build ?
Jason forbid i could be spawning there randomly

one question remains though
if you are that selective about who you want & allow to play with
why don't YOU make a private server where you can play to your heart's desire completely undisturbed ?

just to clarify

YOU are the griefers who hijack the server

[sarcasm on] no, you're not elitist at all [sarcasm off]
"normal randoms"
"our group"
"We are not entitled to let everyone in and risk everything we build get griefed."
"our town"
gosh

i tell you what you are not entitled to - to hijack any of the official servers
you are in fear of losing "your" precious builds ? i hope the next update wipes all clean or maybe i should participate in an apocalypse on server 7

just release the official server you hijacked & go make your private server, so that "randoms" like me can play whereever they like

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"like to play" differs from "hindering others to play"
that's the griefing difference

yeah, elitist much
the game doesn't belong to players & surely not to "some" players who came to the idea that because there are few people on a server that server is theirs ONLY to play
claims like that are not any part of the game & surely not on official servers

that's just outright griefing
just because that's a group of players against one player butting in doesn't make it less griefing by the group
if you friend spawn by four into a town io to grief the heck out of it, you could as well excuse it with "they just wanna have fun their way"

if you wanna play coop you are more than welcome to set up an actually private server !
official servers do not belong to the players
the main idea of the game is transience of everything
a group of players coordinated via discord gain no special protection zone just because they found an exploit

i enjoy not being killed, do i get a special treatment as well ?

you & any other player has no right whatsoever to tell any other player where to play - cause that's griefing

no player has any right to claims over an official server & all 16 servers are official

mobile clicker games are also popular, so ...

i even play some from time to time

i think it's about a boredom barrier, as long the boredom didn't set in you just click, apparently some players need just that & nothing else, since their boredom barrier is not reached, not filled up
yeah, something to think about ...

i still hope Jason fixes it soon, exploits like that are destructive to the basic gameplay

i am for a Bless system to the Curse system

i think everything that encorages people to be more constructive in game is good
better than anything that discourages people to be destructive

maybe an option to be born in particular circumstances, like what players wish, a choice to be born either as Eve, Eve's child, male or female, Eve in old town ... that kind of result

yeah, i understand that

i know similar situtions where people just don't want to accept where an original creator or owner sets a limit
people who are not creative don't understand that a limit which seems unreasonable to them is more than perfectly reasonable to creative people who, if they are clever enough have to protect their work because not everything is monetizable, it just shouldn't be
one cannot buy being creative, it doesn't work that way

i have my problems with OHOL, but i wouldn't refund because i still admire what you do & that you stick to your own principles

greed tells people "why not port this to mobile, where one can reach a lot more players & make heaps of money with it ?"
your answer to that is, "i don't want to port it to mobile" & people should respect that, have to respect that, because you are the original maker & there should be no discussion about that

greed is working not only for money but simply for wanting to disable a limit set

i think if the people who made the mobile port really wanted that game on mobile & want to ommit what you're asking them to do, then there is a simple solution
pay some people who make new look, new graphics, new sounds & music, change the name, keep the game mechanics, don't refer in the title to "one hour" & give credit as "inspired by Jason Rohrer's One Hour One Life" PC game
then it wouldn't be a port but a similar game

& if some day you might decide that you want to port OHOL to mobile ? that should be your free decision & nothing else
& if it's never gonna happen, so it should because it's your game

if they've wanted approval then they should have asked Jason for a cooperation or some other form of his involvement in the port which then had have been negotiated, but they probably didn't ask for that & didn't want it, so it is clearly not approved or Jason didn't want it, same as any of the other versions of OHOL is not approved but the other makers made sure nobody is confused about the nature of their version & that's the whole problem with the mobile version, people are confused

to name the project "unaffiliated" doesn't cut it, since the port uses the main portion of the orignal OHOL, the title being one of them & that means it is hugely "affiliated"

"not supported" sounds like it is affiliated with Jason but he is not the right person to ask for troubleshooting & that's not enough to clarify the situation

& why should Jason ask for an elegant wording ? it's not his port, he asked for a clarity in distiction from his work

the problem is - Jason has everything to do with the original version & the port looks like he has with it the same way

i think the makers made the port deliberately to be mixed up with the original version while Jason asked for a clear distinction from his original game, deliberately though maybe not consciously but they were fine with resulting mix up
a clearly communicated distinction would have made users hesitant to play the port because they would have realised they are going to buy & play not the original game but an unofficial port & that's the whole point of getting the message across
the port makers didn't want that realisation to happen & they indeed succeeded, people mix up the port simply as the official mobile version of the PC game, at the very least approved by Jason

i think also the makers had plenty of time to correct the misunderstanding, instead they sought after a publisher & a wider audience, that's not the right way to treat a work made by someone else, no matter if it's public domain or open source of whatever for free
Jason didn't loose his copyright on his designs only because he enabled all of this to be freely useable, there's a huge difference
it is still his game, his drawings, his sound, his music, his main idea, his title

if i would do such a port, i would have made that clear
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"One Hour One Life for mobile" is an inofficial port of the original PC game "One Hour One Life" made by Jason Rohrer, not supported & not approved by him, any financial transaction made with "OHOL for mobile" are not benefiting Jason Rohrer
the servers used for this mobile version are in no way affiliated with Jason Rohrer's official servers
we are grateful for the opportunity to be able to use the original work of Jason Rohrer freely since the PC game "OHOL" is released as open source & public domain
]

if i wanted to make money from this port, then i probably would have asked Jason if he would take a portion of it, especially after it became clear that a publisher is interested
everything else would have felt to me as fraud & theft

but as i wrote, mobile evokes greed

what you did is an exchange of non official emails, that's not negotiations
negotiation means legal stuff,
with your actions you entered meantime a legal terrain, you should have asked a lawyer where the limits of decency & law lie

Jason asked you to sever your work from his with a very clear message to the users, so absolutely no confusions can happen
you didn't do it, you muddled the line between the original game & your port & that's indeed going towards fraud

if you would have been honest then you should have been alarmed !!! as users started to confuse your mobile port with Jason's original PC game
i hope you are just inexperienced

if you want to port the game to mobile, as it is with all drawings, sounds, code & name, then you have to make a legal contract with Jason
it's no more about public domain & open source
you want more than just some modding & some unofficial port, you want the success of your port on mobile devices in big asia, so you have to treat the game as if it would be a licenced work, because actually it is outside the lines you crossed

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