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Well, it seems to me Jason's philosophy is to give the community the tools to deal with griefers and let us decide what happens to them, and the argument of those of us sick of griefing is simply that the tools aren't refined enough in the current version.

Also, please refer to the definition of griefing in the original post in this thread.
https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewt … 127#p56127

You sound like a hard nail, but you don't sound like a griefer according to the definition we use.

Not being a hero is not the same as randomly playing to destroy towns.

And sure, people throw around the word 'griefer' to mean a lot of things, Futurebird addresses this in the beginning of the post I linked to.

Personally I don't use the mod, so I wouldn't know what the counter is.

Then I'd say you have uncovered another problem with the mechanics of the game: It takes too long to make clothes for everyone, or they decay too soon. Or perhaps it would help if there as another way to get backpacks than using rabbit fur. How about being able to sew cut rabbit pelts onto baskets, to get a simplified backpack with three items. A lot more rabbit fur would be spent towards clothing.

Excellent point. I miss a non-lethal way of combat as well.
I mean, I certainly don't want to practice killing in order to get good at it...! I just might join in a practice session with a baton and a willing 'vicitim' though.

I don't hate people who are lazy.
I work hard to keep towns running. But even so, I wouldn't even mind a person who just hangs around the berries and eats a little now and then.
If that person seems to be a griefer who eats as much as possible in order to destroy a fragile food economy of a struggling town, that is if I think it's fair to deduce that they have malicious intent, of course that's a different matter.
Not saying you're wrong about it Pein, just pointing out that I think differently.

But the thing is, I've never seen any posts from people on this forum saying "I'm so sick of all the people who just hang around and don't contribute that now I can't play the game anymore. I have to take a pause. Maybe I'll be back later."

Sure, there are people annoyed with RP, there are people annoyed with unskilled players.

But the way griefing (please refer to the definition in the other thread) seems to make people want to quit, is troubling.

Because the people who seem to want to quit are the people I'd love to play with.

Not to me. I see their analysis skills and opinions on best practice as part of the civilization building aspect of the game. Although I think the most important thing is that we have fun, at the same time I know I have a lot to learn from them about survival, and I value hearing their thoughts on what they think is the most optimal way to do things.

I far from play optimally, but I've never had problems with people getting mad at me because of it.

Allow me to quote the original post as a reply to this:

We are distinguishing between murder and griefing.
Not all murder is griefing.
Granted, it can be hard to distinguish.
I remember one time recently when it was fun to by killed by this evil person (in-game evil).

But griefing is boring.

If people join griefer channels to plan to destroy towns, that is just plain stupid.

If someone decides that today I'm going to destroy other people's work even before their characters are born, without any notion of what their character would have done, who their family is, whether or not their mother loved them, all that jazz - then the killing spree is random, stupid, unwanted, and yes - boring.

I mentioned in another post that I haven't seen a car or a plane in ages. There's been a lot of murders in towns I've been to. A lot of loose bears. None of these were memorable events except a very few times, when the evil person was in-game evil, not randomly I just feel like killing everyone evil.

That's so cool!

There are few opportunities to learn advanced things in-game I feel, for various reasons.

How about, if you don't like the responses you get, don't post..?

I think you should care less about my reaction and worry more about whether the people who disliked the griefing they encountered in-game are still playing the game.

You see, the kind of players I LOVE to play with will probably be discouraged by YOUR playstyle. I'll see them less and less in-game, and that is what gets me down.

But on the other side, the kind of players you love to play with, won't be discouraged by me farming carrots.

Read Futurebird's definition of griefing at the very top of this thread. And then stop the griefing.
https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6183

I'd love to go die if I had the option of choosing to be reborn with good people.

It is easier to grief than not to grief.

When you grief, all you need to worry about is getting in a kill or two before anyone notices.

Being a guard means being on the watch while at the same time making sure to put in efforts where the town needs it if necessary. It might be in dire need of compost, a hoe, clothes for babies, the kitchen might not be operational, the last female might need help to yum and stay warm... all while you're hunting the one griefer who you realize plays an entirely different game than you???

It amazes me that towns do so well despite of griefers and yet - I can't recall when I last saw a car or an airplane. Even with the cloth update, fancy clothes aren't abundant either. So I guess the towns are not doing so well after all.

Griefing is stupid. I don't care what Jason says. Griefing (given Futurebird's definition in the original post) is a bug, not a feature.

A pvp server is the only idea I can think of that both caters to normal players and griefers need for griefing - we might not have to call it griefing any more, we could simply call it pvp.
There are other games with pvp.
That's where both parties are invested in learning the same skills, because they agree on what the rules of the game are.
After pvping, they end with a kind GG.

Griefing is not GG. Griefing is lame.

My impression is that people who say racist things get killed, and people are fine with it.

Yeah...
Teach them first rule, remember to eat.
Then feed them if necessary

The case against griefing is very well articulated in this post by Futurebird.

https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6183

What if someone force feeds you though?

This is my definition as well. Good way to put it.

This is such a good point that it deserves to be quoted.

Me too.

And to extend this point: The game can't please everyone. The impression right now is that the game, with the current philosophy about griefers' place in it, fails to produce good enough stories for non-griefers to want to stay.

This too is such a good point!

Uh, no!

Immersion is caring.

Being bored, or angered, by griefers is not.

In other words - It's not a feature, it's a bug.

Good post, futurebird.

I like the suggestions so far.

We could call it the pvp server. It has a nice ring to it.