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biomes idea is okay but right now the sizes are adjusted for iron (not perfect but still)
Lot of things are getting meshed into scales and grids, aren't they?
I'm not sure I find that interesting or not.
Wonder what got Jason on this, ley line, craze...
Hi, DrRoy.
the joke is that the 6 plates of fries we did are more pips than the whole city berry field we had.
From a usable, caloric, perspective, that makes sense. Modern foods are just loaded with calories, but, some people would rather romanticize about being primitive and struggling. I know I do.
I want to be in the future, and the past, but we live, on the line where, that juxtaposition, is defined.
And it seems like a thin, boring line, because we're always here.
And it's very thin.
The past, is a lot more obvious to us, because of memory, record, and, logic.
It's the future that is fun to work out. It's why we argue, make up sciences and teach, to make the future a little more, predictable; to set it on a more productive trajectory, from our vantage in the present.
It is, why I tell people I love them.
I don't want it to be forgotten, when I am gone.
Not that I said it, necessarily, but that people said it,
that I kept it alive, at least, as long as I did.
Pein, people will figure things out.
Just as we have. You have to trust them, and let them make mistakes.
Just as people won't forget how to love, or, what love was;
what it is, that makes the part of this game, this mechanic, so special.
If real love, is not interesting to you...
I don't know what else to say.
What future is there, for people,
who act, more and more, like machines?
I can debate, a future of machines vs a future of, squishy people, vulnerable to the elements, and unable to survive, the conditions, found, in the majority of the universe. I can just as easily, be prompted, to argue, for more, biological or technological, futures. But as for this game, it's difficult, to look at the way we play with each other, as an argument, between numbers and love.
The numbers are there, and we will, become aware of them, with experience and effort, but, if the love isn't here; if people don't care about each other, than what is the point of knowing whats best? I'd much rather people cared, and died caring, than survive and not care, in a game, where the next life is free, and the memories live on. At least, as long as the players, remember what it was like, to have experienced what, this was. And maybe, maybe people who played 6 months ago, have come back today, and were reminded of what it was like, to have someone care for them, like this, in a video game, in their life.
Then they can help figure out some of the numbers, again.
And we can break down the world, from as many perspectives, as there are people, to experience it with.
Whether that is two,
two hundred,
or two million,
I want them to know, love.
If I could choose, one thing, that is never forgotten about this game,
it'd be the moment, that a new player looks back at their child, freshly spawned into the world, and picks them up.
That, pause; what happens in the moment.
That is life.
But this is really the point
A point is just a line, looked at from one of two directions.

I'm sorry I overlooked that little joke, Mom, or, whoever you were that named me.
But I would have laughed with you, overlooking the depth, of this little joke.
Thanks.
Thanks, for the reflection.
That's cute Morti but in the human history of civilizations a lot happenned and we are exploring this, the good, the bad and the ugly.
This is not human history, this is a game, a forum discussion, and this is us, sitting at keyboards, in front of monitors, communicating.
Jason has even stated that this game does not take place in the past, if, you want to place it in a timeline at all. If you want to do that, it takes place in the future, but, in a way it's not even about that. Most of what is stated here in the forum, the thoughts, expressed, for sure, are not even thoughts of the game.
This experience we are having, is, a forum discussion, with, possibly, a game on the side. Though, from the forum discussions perspective, no one even has to play the game. Most of you, certainly, play it less than I do, and some of you, admittedly, don't even play anymore, at all.
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The future, is determined.
The game's future, and our future, they are already determined.
We, are just unaware, of the most influential factors, when it comes to, aspects of it.
The unfolding of past to future, that we see in the present, is all we can truly be aware of, but even that, is limited.
You are not beholden, to be ugly, as far as you are now aware.
Not to be rude, Morti, but I’m guessing you’re only saying this because you can tolerate this update. I distinctly remember you shooting a string of insults at Jason about some other update, including “afraid to get his balls wet”. It’s a little hypocritical. Of course, you’re right. We shouldn’t be rude to Jason because he’s trying his best.
karl, if I can call you karl (I know) but, we go back, don't we? A ways? I don't remember being so upset with you, that I have wanted to make you, feel upset. You asked me something, and pointed back to it again, so, I feel I owe it to you to, flesh this out.
Is it this part you wanted me to address?
Not to be rude, Morti, but I’m guessing you’re only saying this because you can tolerate this update.
This part.
I distinctly remember you shooting a string of insults at Jason about some other update, including “afraid to get his balls wet”.
Probably not, because I did, at least, give a response to that, choice bit.
This part.
It’s a little hypocritical.
Is it most important, that I address the, accusation, of hypocrisy? Is that, the important thing here?
Of course, you’re right.
I appreciate that.
We shouldn’t be rude to Jason because he’s trying his best.
Or is it this? Because, this seems like a fun subject to discuss, to me.
The whole, best, part. Not the rude part. Though, they both go together, in an interesting way.
Was it that, or, was your statement:
I’m not sure I understand what this has to do with my point
In regard to, something else? Is it some combination of those sentences that I missed? Or do you want me to, restate, something I have said?
While we're going off topic, here's one I had a hard time wrapping my head around as an 8-9 year old boy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW9iKDxpsWw
It's a 3 second scene of a hand gesture used in the Clan of the Cave Bear movie.
I didn't know if it meant "I love you", "I'm going to rape you", "I want to bond with you" or what, though, the movie, kind of made it clear it wasn't really a choice on the girls part. That the guy had just decided he wanted to fuck Daryl Hannah's character, and of course, every 9 year old boy watching the movie would have thought the same as me "No, I like her. She might be MY girlfriend. Don't do that to her." Right? Maybe Jason is actually the only person near my age and gender, that would have had similar thoughts at a similar time. Then again, I can imagine Jason's parents might have kept him away from watching that sort of thing on television, at that age.
What even was your point?
Why bring up old insults to make points? Oh, it was just about the update, I'd forgotten.
Yeah, it was a relief. This new update, was a relief for me. But it represents a lot more, to me. As it will to each of you. How do I sympathize with you, without taking away, from that of the crowd, that I admire? I don't want you guys, I don't want you folks, to be afraid to express yourself to Jason, no matter how much, what he does, upsets your plans. A part of me knows and enjoys, seeing Jason, turn people on their heads. But. A part of me also knows that you trust him. You trust him, the same way I trust him; to have a plan. He, has reasons for his mistakes, if you can even call them that. Are they his mistakes though, or, are they ours?
Do I really have to go into detail on this? Should I really, break, this down for you?
Have you ever cheated, at a Choose Your Own Adventure book?
The population is a resource!

That quote was from almost 2yrs ago so hopefully could rethink that. I think it's just really hard pressed to make steel feel special when it's what every single thing is made out of.
Also rather than doubling up the charcoal add coal from the mines and boom. Also that would reflect that early steel was made with charcoal but later steel was made using coal.
Yeah, many times I have wanted to make the distinction between charcoal and bituminous coal, but just, never really felt the need.
I imagine Jason feels like that a lot, when some particular mechanic is on his mind, while people are asking for a dozen others.
Electric furnaces would be another thing. Speaking of which, do you guys know about aluminum and Iceland? Why they are such huge producers of the world's supply of aluminum? Because they have a massive abundance of electricity there, due to it being a natural geothermal hotspot right on the midatlantic ridge. I just takes too much electricity to justify processing, what was it, bauxite, into aluminum, anywhere else on Earth.
... or at least, that's was the case, prior to 2012?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium … refinement
Aluminium production is highly energy-consuming, and so the producers tend to locate smelters in places where electric power is both plentiful and inexpensive.[111] As of 2012, the world's largest smelters of aluminium are located in China, Russia, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, and South Africa.[112]
Not a mention of Iceland there...
Huh.
Maybe another "fact" I was either lied to about or misinterpretted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti … =158513228
I suppose as a % of their GDP, maybe it's higher?
There is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o … ufacturing but, anyway. It's important there, which, doesn't sound nearly as cool, as, THE WORLDS NUMBER ONE PRODUCER but still, cool, none-the-less. I think they had a financial crisis, at some point in the country's recent history, that involved global deals with aluminum production, maybe that was before 2007 and the earliest record, at least, for that list, on Wikipedia. Maybe someone knows a lot more than I do about it, that can clear it up.
But that's way off topic... but not that far.
I really want aluminum, or 'aluminium' in the game someday. Maybe, for baking potatoes and crafting lightweight aircraft?
Sure there are lots of, interesting, reasons for having aluminum. Especially if it came down to having to refine bauxite, and, generating electricity becomes like making charcoal, and people have to decide whether to gather branches, or cut into the towns firewood, drastically reducing the fuel and temperature (and food, water, iron and soil...) efficiency for the town.
How I long for the days, when batteries run out of juice, and we have to decide between paying the gas bill OR the electric bill, and living without one or the other, till we get the money.... no, I don't really wish to relive that last one in game, but, some equivalent would be a meaningful reminder.
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Something weird going on here, but, overall I have to say I disagree with, your lines of argumentation, Dodge.
A lot of the points you are trying to make, are subjective ones, like, things being boring or not interesting or people wasting their time.
That's your view of it because, you, want something else.
And that's okay.
But if you want other people to do interesting things with you, then you should be trying to convince them, not, trying to convince Jason to make changes to the game to force us into particular situations, if, that is in fact, what you have done.
I really don't care too much for for reading these, tired, back and forths.
You're boring, Dodge.
That's my opinion.
Based on what I'm reading, I also find your vision for the future of this game, disgusting, to be quite honest.
I put a lot of time into this game, because, well, it was beautiful. Now you want to make that beauty ugly, for what?
Shits and giggles? Because you, are bored? You, want us to encourage Jason, to get us to fuck with ourselves?
To give up the trust we've had in each other, for over two years now?
That is not interesting, it's sickening.
You, have the plague.
Jason has had it too, and, I don't doubt his may reemerge, but he sorted a lot of the problems; things that I, and many others, felt were problems, he sorted those out. Please, sort yours out. Try to see that what you want, is not necessarily what I want, and there are a lot of things, I didn't know, that I didn't want, until Jason encouraged them, with comments, and added them, with mechanics.
I do not, want private property.
I do not want trade.
I don't want mobs, or leaders or royals.
You using the word theft, doesn't even make sense, and I don't want it to make sense.
Not here, not ever.
Everytime, we start off, with a blank slate, and we all contribute to the world, from there on out.
Some days I spend 20 hours in a row, sometimes I have played for 30 hours in a row, without sleep, drinking less coffee, so I had to get away from the keyboard less, eating less food, just to avoid 3 minutes straight, of being away from the game, so that I could get back to work, as soon as possible, on whatever project, I was working on, for everyone. Before it was big projects, every family mattered, and there was nothing outside of the needs of just the family I was born to, but those became less important, as I saw each part of the big picture.
I can never unsee that picture now.
I don't want you, encouraging Jason, to break up the puzzle, that we have put together over these years.
Obviously, it's not complete though, is it? Otherwise you'd feel as though you were in the right place already.
But you don't, and I think that's pretty clear.
You still want to complete your corner.
Well, now what?
It doesn't seem like we're working on the same puzzle, but we are.
I might even say we are not approaching the middle, from the same sides, yet, we've been playing together, all this time. At least, since you arrived at the table.
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I don't want to go from being your daughter one life, to killing your family, minutes later.
I just don't have it in me, to let my view, flip like that, any number of times in a day.
And I don't want it. Not as long as the same world, persists, from one life to the next.
We're essentially the same people, from one hour to the next, taking turns, swapping places, I don't understand why you would want that, in a game with, any, sort of competition. Any sort of distinction, between people, is really meaningless, if you play enough. So, why encourage that at all?
I only, ever, want to love you, Dodge.
No matter who you are.
Malachite is still freely available on the surface.
Would be easy to make copper hammer required to make steel hammer.
The hot steel hammer head would require copper hammer, instead of rock and wrought iron would also require copper smithing hammer instead of rock.
Copper ingots could be heated using one load of charcoal, whereas iron and steel could require two loads, to reflect the increased heat requirements.
Also, maybe a dedicated person on the bellows, to increase oxygen flow to the furnace. Maybe clicking on the bellows after the two loads of charcoal have been lit, increases the intensity of the light and sound and puts the person in a 3 second animation lock, and only in that time can a crucible with iron and charcoal be fired, so it's a two person job.
Copper tools could last as long as existing steel ones, and steel tools could last twice as long.
But...
https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1239
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This game is not a historical simulation.
If people didn't make backpacks in ancient times, that doesn't matter.
There will never be a bronze age in this game.
This is a game about modern people starting over from scratch.
I suppose he said there'd never be a bronze age, didn't say anything about there not being a copper age.
And even then, we could just chalk that statement up to Jason being artistic, and have a Bronze Age, if he was really willing, or, kindly persuaded enough.
Copper could require stone, bronze could require copper, iron could require bronze and steel could require iron. Then tungsten carbide could require steel and unobtainium could require tungsten carbide.
Didn't he already nerf wild berries?
He actually did quite the opposite, if you care for them.
They used to spawn 1 berry every ten minutes, now you can get 6 in ten minutes, if you add water.
Now they are far superior to the domestic variety.
And with wild gooseberries not despawning, you can just load the ground with them, splash a little water, and they're good as new.
I go out to a nearby swamp, make 20-30 clay bowls and can have them loaded with gooseberries by the time I die, and if you forget to water them, they don't dry up, but just a single berry appears on them.Best way to go about it, is to start at a young age, make a milkweed farm away from town, near unused ponds, where wild berries and soil exist, grow 20 or so milkweed using skewers, make a snare or two, backpack, clothes and four pouches, then you don't have to use the bowl you brought out for watering the milkweed. Done it four times so far, sometimes I get around to filling ten bowls of berries for anyone that comes along, other times I can get a few dozen, go back to town, get a horse cart, and bring them in for bait, feed or compost near town.
I've noticed after I die in town with a backpack of pouches and come back, people have filled the pouches with bait and they don't get used for water, which is a mistake, less we start mass producing pouches and everyone carry one with water, fill up on wild berries, water the bush and then fill up the pouch at the next pond you pass by.
Leaving one berry on each of a half dozen wild bushes near town, while people are farming the domestic variety, really should be frowned upon. Clustering all those domestic berries near the well only serves to hasten water shortage. I could maybe see 9 to 18 domestic bushes near the bakery, or sheep pen, for convenience, nut more than that is just too much stress. That water, and soil, should be going towards variety, not convenience.
I'm no wizard in the kitchen, but for those of you that don't have to think twice about how to prepare stew, broth, pies, or even milk, that water and soil should be going more towards your causes and more working mothers, should be watering wild berry bushes with their kids, so that by the time they are entering their teens, they are seeing those bushes come back full, and know themselves, to remove all the berries and water them, to keep the full return timer ticking.
Or take morti's approach. Water wild berry bushes with goose ponds and subsist on sustainable wild food.
For real, the berries mean food for sheep, bait for rabbits and food for us.
Grow some carrots, or gather the burdock, but don't eat it, use it to bait rabbits, make backpack and four pouches, from milkweed grown from natural soil near ponds, tilled with skewers, or collected, and turn all the clay of that pond into bowls, keep those bowls near the wild berry bushes, fill them up when the bushes respawn all berries in 10 minutes, water with your pouches. If your town has carts or horse carts, collect the berry bowls when you have a large supply and bring them back to feed the sheep.
Sure, it's simple, there's not much more to it than that, but from that we can sustain a town without using the water from the well, so, no need for iron.
It buys families time to figure out how to get the iron, or, just to sit around the campfire and appreciate their children.
What more do you want out of life? Rockets to the Moon? At this rate, we probably won't have that for five years, if ever.
I'd love to take a rocket to Mars though.
It's always been my dream, to die on Mars; to be one of the first organisms to give my life to a new world.
... we really need to stop finding excuses not to begin colonization of that planet.
Humanity could use the inspiration.
Life, could use a good trial.
Not to be rude, Morti, but I’m guessing you’re only saying this because you can tolerate this update. I distinctly remember you shooting a string of insults at Jason about some other update, including “afraid to get his balls wet”. It’s a little hypocritical. Of course, you’re right. We shouldn’t be rude to Jason because he’s trying his best.
It's in the past. And I said his kids were the best thing he's created in this world, next to this game, by, getting his dick wet.
Just an expression for having sex, I learned while on the streets of Detroit, 10 years ago.
It's really a nice place. I live on Lake Huron, so, to see the water of that entire body, rushing past Detroit at night, was a pleasant experience.
Jump the fence of the Chrysler building and have a walk down the river at 3 AM and you'll know what I'm talking about.
I guess a pimp came up to me with a hooker at 2 AM and asked me if I wanted to get my dick wet, it was the first time I'd ever heard that expression, and it's just stuck with me ever since.
People are strange, but I love you.
All of you.
Now that's the kind of post I like to see.
Morti wrote:Pale Blue Dot
Have you ever watched Carl Sagan's Cosmos? It's one of my all-time favorite TV series. None of the information presented is very complicated, but it states the basics in such a poetic way that watching is a pleasure. I actually live near Ithaca, NY where the late Sagan taught at Cornell university. Recently while doing some snooping I learned that the university was actually our Jason's alma mater. It really is a beautiful campus, I've visited it a few times to see friends going to school there.
Anyway, Cosmos. Check out the Voyager Golden Record as well if you haven't already. What a way to put a message in a bottle.
You don't know I taught astronomy, do you?
It's okay. I taught from 1991 till 2000.
Carl was probably one of my biggest inspirations, him, Stephen Hawking, and, definitely Albert Einstein.
I read every biography of Einstein I could get my hands on, ten every one of Hawking books, and about forty other books on everything from particle physics to cosmology, before, getting my job at the planetarium at 13. Cosmos is like the Encyclopedia Galactica of the history of the universe, and, of mankind's attempt to understand it. If anyone hasn't read it and has even a passing interest in the field, I highly recommend it. It's basically the answer, to Life the Universe and Everything, nevermind that Douglas Adams chap. ;-)
On the bright side... wild gooseberries are fuckin OP!
Shh, don't tell Jason though, he'll nerf them for sure!
;-)
I find it amusing that people come out of the woodwork to say goodbye, rather than be active parts of the community.
I was like, who tf is eajorstad?
Sorry, but by this point I'm fully in sync with Jason's style of game development and nothing he does is likely to ever upset me again as much as people who complain.
Maybe if you guys just played for a few thousand more hours, you'd understand too. ![]()
Learn to adapt to the game, no matter what, don't insist Jason adapt to any, ANY, of you.
As long as we can log in together, we can manage, together.
M is a mine that needs a mining pick
rest are all wells
W is for Gingers
H was my home as a Kar

Damn it, forgot to remove my name from the second picture... oh well.
Not like it's that big of a deal.
I wanted to remain anonymous on the leaderboard. I'm usually in top 5, if not top 20, till shit like quitters come along.
Jason, you should really drop the number of lives from 24 down to something like 12 or even 6, quitters absolutely ruin the game.
I am 5th in Meme Score rank , I am about to join in...Brace for impact!
I was number three, but I made a ready well site and had kids, that had a lot of kids that just died... really hurt.
Now I'm 131st, in One Life's time.
Now up to 122, but it does little to console me.


It's easy kids, just don't worry about iron and water wild berry bushes.
Don't even bother farming domestic berries, it's just a waste of time messing with soil for those.
Use soil instead for milkweed, carrots, corn and other crops for a little variety.
But think about it,
1 wild berry bush + 1 water + 10 minutes = 6 wild berries
If you don't water them, you won't understand how good we have it.
Make a lot of bowls and, especially, rabbit pouches.
A backpack full of pouches, and you can traverse the land, flooding the world with gooseberries and resetting the wild ones so they refill, quick!
Stop by a pond now and then and refill your pouches.
Don't give up.
If you really want to settle, and try your hand at making a home, do so near the most abundant source of ponds and wild berries with a natural spring nearby, but don't worry too much about the spring, and you can basically forget about iron till Jason sorts things out there.
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sticking to stardew right now after logging in to this. I got the tractor mod vroom vroom
Dirty filthy stinking cheater that I am~
Was gonna post some pics yet suddenly my motivation is gone. Ah well. I miss you guys! stay warm, hydrated and fed + I hope you're all doing okay, Dev included. The community is the one thing that brings me back at this point tbh y'all are creative, fun and interesting peeps.
Obviously I don't care for this update at all but my opinion is probably better off in the trash so yay.
Join me for some wild gooseberry wrangling. I could use another potter.
I'll let you two love birds have your space.
I'll be in game if anyone needs me, as per usual.
That's where both of you should be too, farming wild gooseberries and giving each other some chill time.
Maybe you'll be born each other's kid, and you won't even know it.
Just forget, about the tension on this forum, walk 200 meters, and start over.
Fug tonight, not you Dodge, you're just fine.