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I liked that! It's good to see that new players, who have no idea what to do and do everything wrong, can still enjoy the game.

And in particular, can learn and teach and have fun learning and teaching. The game's dynamic of passing on not just accumulated capital but knowledge from generation to generation is compelling and is embraced immediately even by neophytes.

Furthermore, the game's use of familial relationships creates an instant social atmosphere that encourages group cooperation and forming bonds - superficial as they may be - between players.

Jason has a real winner here.

When I do an Eve run, whether I stop at an earlier failed camp or not depends on my mood. I almost always skip over small camps - in part because they're probably not very well placed (most aren't), but mostly because if I'm doing an Eve run I want the camp to be a product of my efforts. I don't want to piggyback on someone else who came before me, and I don't want to have to deal with the problems that they created.

When I spawn into or near a large dead town, though, I'll think about trying to revive it, because that's a fun challenge which is different from starting an Eve camp from scratch or from being born into an active and functioning city. Sometimes I'm not in the mood for that, though, and if not I'll usually just starve and reroll a new Eve spawn.

Thanks! I added a comment to that issue to raise awareness of the unintended consequences. Perhaps Jason will change things.

Eve saves were never intended to be used in multplayer, and were never intended to be the kind of thing that people think they are. It was a hack for single-player, back when there were few enough players that sometimes there would be only one player on a server. The intention was to let single players have continuous repeat lives in the same place, since with no other players there was no way to leave a legacy for your descendants.

I had read somewhere (forum, wiki, discord, not sure) that Eve gets an exemption from the lineage ban, but my guess is this is a bit of mythology that got passed around like a game of Telephone, a garbling of what the actual Eve spawn / re-spawn mechanics were (which themselves were misunderstood by both Jason and the playerbase (in different ways!) due to the bugs in the implementation.

From an aesthetic standpoint, I think giving Eve an exemption doesn't really make sense. The whole Jason's-vision thing is that you live one life and try to make a legacy but die knowing you'll never see it yourself. Minmaxers like Tarr reject this aesthetic - which is entirely their right - but that doesn't mean the game should cater to their goals rather than Jason's. The lineage ban was an attempt to stop back-to-back lives, which are effectively a single longer-than-one-hour life. The fix to Eve chaining was the same.

Your morality can rest easy. You are definitely not cheating. This is not a competitive game; there's no ethos of sportsmanship to adhere to.

Jason has an aesthetic that he is trying to convey through the game to people who play the game. By using a zoom mod you are missing out on some aspect of that aesthetic. However, you have no obligation to enjoy the game the way that Jason thinks you should enjoy it.

I happen to agree with you. I believe I understand why Jason chose the zoom level he did, but also I believe the game would be improved without compromising his aesthetic if it were slightly more zoomed out.

Jason deliberately chose the zoom level he did, and he doesn't want to change that. He recognizes that he can't stop you from using a client with zoom, but he would prefer that people didn't.

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https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewt … 1063#p1063

https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewt … 318#p34318

Congratulations to all involved!

Anyone know the server?

Anyone know how the town remained populated (or re-populated) for 24 hours without anyone who came there ever deciding to remove the tower?

Why are you trying to be a "city Eve" instead of simply being born into a city?

The moral of the story is don't go to study at University without a backpack full of snacks! JUST LIKE IN REAL LIFE

grouchy frazzled chick 4ever

Morti, thanks for taking the time a few weeks ago to talk to me in San-Cal and demonstrate your amazing pork taco production line!

I never say anyone is playing the game "wrong" because I sincerely believe it's everyone's prerogative to decide for themselves how they want to approach the game. I do think your method of continuing to work on a project in life after life runs counter to the aesthetic that Jason was aiming for (which is, I think, why you call it an 'exploit').

I agree with your sentiments about not giving up on towns, on always trying to see what more you can do in any situation you're born into. I do the same, always acting as if there is a chance that even a doomed town might be rediscovered by someone else someday and trying to leave a legacy of some kind.

I enjoy getting reborn into a town I've contributed to (or even founded! that's the best!). There's a tension between "don't keep being reborn to work on the same projects" and "never ever see the same place again"; I feel like an occasional revisitation is very good, but that it could become very bad if it happened too often and lost the feeling of being special.

I feel the same way.

I feel the same way. Well said.

From Jason's post introducing the Eve spirals:

Now, there's always a chance that Jason has changed things since then (but I haven't seen a post saying so) and there's a chance that the implementation doesn't match his intention. But that's at least what is supposed to be happening, at least as of back then.

I'm not positive what "the longest-lineage person during shutdown" means. I assume it means the longest-lineage person from the current uptime instance, although perhaps it means the longest-lineage person alive at the time of the shutdown (which then kills them, I presume?).

Since San-Cal is a big developed city, it would make sense that the longest-lineage person lived and died there, and that the new spiral after the server restart would be centered there, which would explain what we've seen recently (I've seen it too!) namely that Eves have been spawning close to San-Cal.