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#426 Re: Main Forum » Update broken cant get more iron » 2020-03-29 08:06:17

Dodge wrote:

fug like i said before this was not suggested by me.

Spoonwood two-point-oh

#427 Re: Main Forum » This is a Form of the Chaos You Asked For, Enjoy It » 2020-03-29 08:02:26

fug wrote:

Absolutely insult Jason. He was warned about what he was doing. We explained why his idea was bad and when no one double checked his code we got this fucked up mess.

If he wants to ignore warnings he should be left to be blamed for his failings.

You didn't deserve that monument.

#428 Re: Main Forum » Should I stop using mods and use vanilla? » 2020-03-29 07:59:01

QuirkySmirkyIan wrote:

I've been playing for so long and the game is super easy to me and I want a bit of a challenge.

If it's easy, then take on bigger challenges, to accommodate the wider view.

Humanity did this when it tamed riding animals, it did this when it invented the boat.
It did it when it invented the automobile and it did it when it invented the airplane.

We've had people in space now for what, 60 years? People went to the Moon over 50 years ago and now we have networks of satellites and an international space station that has had a permanent human presence on it for over two decades.

Oh the times, they are a changing.

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That's the Earth seen from 40 times the distance the Earth is from the Sun.
It was taken 30 years ago, February 14, 1990.

Everything, you've ever experienced, happened in that tiny, blue, dot.

#429 Main Forum » This is a Form of the Chaos You Asked For, Enjoy It » 2020-03-29 07:42:18

Morti
Replies: 19

Let Jason enjoy the show, and let's enjoy performing in it, but please, don't stoop to insults about Jason or the game.
Don't get frustrated with each other in the forum or the game.
Just try to enjoy the tension of survival, we get to experience, once again.

It's a new world.
See it as such, and conquer it on it's terms.

#430 Re: Main Forum » Exploit Wild Berry Reproduction Rates » 2020-03-29 07:25:01

Coconut Fruit wrote:

Empty wild berry bushes regrow 1 berry after 10 minutes. So technically we can still go outside of town with no food and not rly care about picking these berries... There are plenty bushes to use.
Hoped they wouldn't regrow.

The trick here is to empty them as soon as you can, whether in a bowl, or on the ground, and then water them immediately to get the regrowth timer started. Do that for clusters of wild berries and you can sustain good berry production for a life.

It won't last for days, if you do it near ponds, but if you branch out and do it near wells, using the water for wild berries, you can produce a lot more berries with a lot less work.

Give it a try, you will see the payoff. I did it near a swamp, set up a kiln to mass produce bowls, and had them filled in a lifetime, as a mother, on the edge of my families home. I would go in and out of the family zone and had five kids, two suicided but Mercury Venus and Terra had longer lives.

Please folks, don't waste too much time in game worrying about this iron situation, that will be sorted out in time, for now, try your hand at this style of play. Make more bowls, get them near the wild berries and ponds near your family home, when the bush regrows, full of berries, empty it into a bowl and water the bush. Go around doing that till you get a 10 minute cycle down and you can keep those bowls of berries going into your camps or towns. It can work. Nature is more bountiful than ever.

It used to take 10 minutes for one berry to grow back, now we can get 6 berries from wild bushes, every ten minutes.
This is a huge change, don't underestimate the value of this. Farm wild gooseberry bushes for pies, animal feed and bait.
It's a new meta, adapt.

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And another thing, stop telling Jason what his games should be like or why what you think he is doing is wrong.
He's not your typical game designer, you're not going to appreciate the way he's adjusting his games, if you think of him like he's Blizzard, Bethesda or Capcom.
He's playing with new mechanics, new styles, essentially, he's trying to make new games of the same world; the same assets, and, I know I didn't fully appreciate it, after a year of dealing with it, but it's really not that terrible of a way to go about developing a game.

Sure, I have found memories, like pein and others, of the way things used to be, but the fun comes from adapting together.

#431 Re: Main Forum » Coming soon: mining changes » 2020-03-29 07:04:07

jasonrohrer wrote:

Bpscotch, yes, it means that if you dig another well elsewhere, it won't uncover new iron.

This isn't 100% settled, but that's the way it is for now.

Otherwise, folks would just run around placing wells to unlock free iron all over the map, and bring it all home.

I'm still looking for a better solution to prevent this and still allow expansion.

You CAN expand by taking an engine somewhere and making a mine.  But you can't expand by starting from scratch, unless you want to do it iron-free....


You CAN expand your water resources by digging outpost wells.  But I think it's less of a problem, because water is so quickly consumed and so bulky to transport.  You could also run around and get water from ponds all over the place, but people don't generally do that.

But one piece of iron?  That will make a tool that can be used dozens of times.  Iron is very dense.  You can haul 12 pieces in a regular cart.  That's enough for 12 tools, with hundreds of total tool uses.

Using buckets, a cart can only hold 40 water, which can be used to water 40 plants.

So people don't generally run around building low-tech wells just to bring cheap water home.  But they would definitely do that for cheap iron.


Anyway, we somehow need to differentiate a real "outpost village" from a "fake" one that is just used to bring free resources home.  One option is some way for people to "maintain" an outpost area over generations, but it's pretty fragile.  Like if you needed to go "dig some mud" on an outpost vein every 30 minutes for 3 hours.  Seems like a solo player might be able to pull that off over several lives, though, thus unlocking free iron without actually settling there.

Jason, I love you.
smile
Thanks for the fun.

#432 Re: Main Forum » Some Screenshots of a Life Spent Making Wells and Searching for Iron. » 2020-03-29 05:16:02

Correction, I think H was actually the Rohrer family, another family of white people, so we have Hope and Rohrer, both white.
Not yet sure who Korn, New, this Unknown, or who the Jones or Cring were.
Lot of times I see a single family member on the list, and they don't last long, I assume it's donkeys.

#433 Main Forum » Some Screenshots of a Life Spent Making Wells and Searching for Iron. » 2020-03-29 05:12:01

Morti
Replies: 2

Here is the last one, first.

Born to the Hope family, I went north, made a well, W.
Then I went east, found the ginger family, I.
G is a gold node in tundra.
H was the second well dug.
R was the first iron node I came upon.
M was a third well dug.
O was the second Iron node found.
N was the third iron node found.
S was the fourth iron node found.
V is near a well, hidden, but as close as I could cram it to the families to the north.
Sorry to the black folks that asked for my shovel, heading north, I needed that to finish my projects.

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This is the first iron node I'd ever seen since the new patch; R.
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More were soon to follow.

Second node and it looked similar to the first, minus the 1 iron that was there. This is O.
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Third node, N. Same state as the second.
200329 Iron 3
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But, the fourth one; S, was untouched. Till I touched it, and removed the iron.
200329 Iron 4
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This iron game is going to be fun, but don't forget the soil and water game. Or the temperature game, for that matter. Farm lots of carrots, gather and replenish lots of wild berries and keep those rabbits coming in so the resource gatherers can carry pouches with them to replenish wild bushes along their routes.

Don't let this game cramp you among 10-20 other people, unless that's where you want to be.

#434 Re: Main Forum » Exploit Wild Berry Reproduction Rates » 2020-03-29 04:49:36

Trust me a few bowls in practice, near a good cluster of wild berries will produce an abundance of berries.
Not enough to sustain a huge family, but more than enough for you and a few kids, just ask Mercutio from our life as potters on the outskirts, southwest, of the Brown family home.

We made two dozen bowls and filled them with wild berries from only a small handful of bushes.

We were at about x=-100, y=-80, relative to the brown family's well.

Wish I had got a screenshot of it, it was pretty cool. Pond water and a bowl to start, and we managed wonders, for the two of us.
Venus and Terra were twins born to me down there, they saw the beginning of it. But Mercutio saw the real splendor of the wild berry bonanza.

And no soil was required, though I did farm some milkweed  and a batch of carrots for variety. Food situation at the brown skins home was atrocious.

#435 Main Forum » Exploit Wild Berry Reproduction Rates » 2020-03-29 03:45:58

Morti
Replies: 8

It's great! Keep bowls around wild berries, to load with berried, near water and keep them replenished.

Far better than the domestic variety and soil can be used for other crops.

#436 Re: Main Forum » The game is dead » 2020-03-29 02:33:18

schmloo wrote:

but think about potential towns of nearly 100

We'll cross that bridge after we build it, if, we manage to build it, together; by our choice of playstyles and Jason's choice of mechanics.

#437 Re: Main Forum » Hugs » 2020-03-29 02:18:22

Gogo wrote:

sad Why.. Right click on someone and you stretch your hands for hug! So simple.

+1

Jason is a confirmed monster if he doesn't implement this.

I have been walking onto people's tiles to express to them that I am hugging them, for 2 years. Whether they are my mother, when she is fifty nine, my mother when I am 3-5, and decide to go off on my own, or any person that expresses an emotion to me verbally, like telling me they love me for the work I've done. The heart thing was a nice touch, but, if you haven't realized, I don't tend to use emotes, I don't want to be typing in commands to express my feelings, personally. It takes me out of the immersion, but if that's your thing, I appreciate your hearts, and those facial expressions.

Makes me wonder why coders, programmers and game designers, tend to be such meek people in reality. All that time spend looking at code, making works that are intangible. When what they could really use would be a hug from their father, after he acknowledges the significance of all their life's aspirations.

#438 Re: Main Forum » What is racism? » 2020-03-29 01:30:38

I wish this discussion could have gone on for ten pages without anyone getting offended and then threatening others.
I would like for humanity to resolve it's differences/
And I can't think of a much better community than one of people who act as parent, for each other, who bond with them, no matter where they are on Earth.

#439 Re: Main Forum » What is racism? » 2020-03-29 01:21:48

Elsayal wrote:
Morti wrote:

America is a cooler version of Europe

Enjoy your coronavirus with that President, cooler guys.

Are you kiddin, we eat viruses for breakfast here in America, and shit out freedom.

#440 Re: Main Forum » What is racism? » 2020-03-28 17:29:20

Elsayal wrote:

Yeah. Can he sum up things ?

America is a cooler version of Europe, pretty much sums it up.

Suck it, Euro Peons.

I really, really really really, need to sleep now.

#441 Re: Main Forum » Coming soon: mining changes » 2020-03-28 17:25:32

jasonrohrer wrote:
  • Not caring is boring

Therefore

  • Caring is interesting

So, you folks be sure to care for each other.
Mr. Rohrer, is watching.

#442 Re: Main Forum » Coming soon: mining changes » 2020-03-28 17:16:41

Surface iron was dumb anyway.
You're all welcome to make rabbit pouches with me and feed wild berries, goose water, for the rest of time.

#443 Re: Main Forum » What is racism? » 2020-03-28 17:09:28

Elsayal wrote:

what the hell, can't read that much, sorry hmm

pein is a typing machine

#444 Re: Main Forum » What is racism? » 2020-03-28 17:06:53

pein wrote:

Hungarians are the biggest outliers in Europe, we were the only paganic country, so 1000 years ago we were converted to catholic, even in prayers they had that "god save from hun arrows"

I never even thought about that, that Hungary was named because of the Huns. I know it probably seems obvious if you're from Europe, but, in America, every time the country of Hungary is brought up, it always seems to be followed up with a joke about hunger, or, Turkey... yeah, most Americans, at least, most of the ones I grew up with, are, or, were, just that oblivious in regards to the history of the world. Unless is it was the history of the country that their ancestors migrated to America from, in which case, that particular European nation was the greatest country outside of the United States.

Everyone is the same, if your family was Irish, Ireland was the greatest, Germans are super proud of their German ancestry, people with French ancestry do tend to be a little snobbish, and it's pretty much the same , no matter where people's great great ancestors came from, but, you don't hear many people talk about their English ancestors, I guess, not since the Boston Tea party and the American Revolution. Even Chinese people in America hold their ancestry to the highest esteem.

There are a few families around here, in my little town in the middle of nowhere, with Norwegian, Scandanavian and "Viking" ancestry, and, while they tend to be pretty polite people in most respects, they're still massively into Norse Mythology and wear runes as jewelry, and they love talking about vikings as if they ruled the oceans all around the world. If you were young and heard the way they talked about vikings on the ocean, you might think the vikings ruled every port from Polynesia to Alexandria. Good friends, terrible Magic the Gathering players. big_smile Decks as tall as soup cans.

pein wrote:

Just because you love your language or nation, no reason to hate others.

Middle eastern history is pretty bloody, it was a very tight space for humanity to fight over for a long time. And, since the world has become addicted to oil, the Saudi family, Mecca and their Muslim ally countries, have been expanding quite aggressively around the world. Then there was the mess between Iraq and Iran for many years, as English and American oil companies tried to play their dictators against each other like pawns, while working out cheaper and cheaper deals for the oil fields those two countries shared...

The history of the USA and the UK's involvement in the oil and politics of the Persian Gulf is really a mess. It's always been obvious to me that we were messin around in that region just a little too much, then there were the events of 1991 and 2001, followed by second war in Iraq, for, bullshit reasons. But, no matter what, no matter what I say or do, there is no denying, that who we are, was/is, determined, by those of our ancestors who faught wars and manipulated other nations, and won. Whether that nation is a small one within Italy, or the largest, most populated one in East Asia. Every political geographic distinction was made by some sort, of show, of force, and pride.

In the case of Europe and the Middle East, I'm afraid the Crusades, never really ended.

Tensions, certainly, still exist, between people of either regions.

Pardon me. If I have made any mistakes, my eyelids are dropping like the twin towers.
Time to recharge.

#445 Re: Main Forum » What is racism? » 2020-03-28 15:17:33

x_Raiema_x wrote:

@morti, idk about the other words but i THINK chav is a word for a poor russian who slav squats and wears Adidas pants. could be completely wrong though

I thought that's what a Cyka Blyat was?

>_<

I'm sorry, I'm just kiddin. I'm pretty sure that means motherfucking bitch or something... I asked some Ukranians at a bus station what it meant once, and they laughed for a second, but then they just told me to never say that to anyone and that it was just very offensive. But I've been exposed to too many Vines, Youtube videos and 4chan webm's on /gif/ of angry Russian kids in Call of Duty and getting griefed by admins in Minecraft. It's too late for me.

#446 Re: Main Forum » The game is dead » 2020-03-28 14:55:54

Elsayal wrote:
Morti wrote:

lot of them don't even know the steps to make fire, or what it takes to make a firebow

I love to teach new players these things. smile

A lot of us do, and that's why we're here. But that's not why Mr. Horse Cart full of kero rides into an 8 hour old town, proclaiming he's solved the water crisis, when he is the crisis. New players have no clue whats what, and rushing a town with an engine and radio, is never going to help them learn.

This is the lesson of the game.

Can you make a cell phone on your own? No, you know why, because it takes the whole world, and all of life's history, to make a cell phone.

We really need to slow down, reinforce some basic lessons, the really important ones, otherwise these folks won't fully understand temp, they won't understand the wells and they won't understand iron. And if that's what any of you want so you can feel better about yourself, that other people be left in the dark, while you pretend you're a star, then you should just fuck off.

#447 Re: Main Forum » What is racism? » 2020-03-28 14:32:55

And sorry pein, I didn't assume you were from Europe, I meant that part of the message to Gogo, or any European for that matter.

And thanks for the info voy. I've been on the internet, engaging with Europeans for a long time, I hear a lot about those 'kebabs' too, though, I'm not even sure who those people are. Are Slavs also called Kebabs? or are Kebabs more like people near the edge of Southeast Europe and the Middle East? I'm just guessing Turkish people would fall into that category, but, are the people of the Balkans also referred to as Kebabs, or, are Kebabs like gypsies; transients? It's not a word used to describe Muslims, is it?

I am genuinely curious, now that we are talking about this sort of thing. These are not the kinds of questions I'd ever think to ask people. If I hear people using Slav, Kebab or Chav in a derogatory way, I think they're probably not the best people to ask what those words mean. Maybe there are people who self identify as those terms and would be better people to ask, what, political, geographic or cultural traits, distinguish them from other people.

I mean, I just got to say, Europe... How, how do you have so many different languages, in such a small space? Just, a lot of little tribes that kept to themselves for the most part? I thought most of you were united by Rome? But that didn't stop Europe from having, what, like 20, 30 different languages? I imagine there are more too, I'm imagining there are multiple tongues within each border, that, probably don't even recognize political boundaries. Something like what I imagine the Kurds are, down near Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Armenia and Iran.

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I really wish this sort of thing wasn't being encouraged by Jason. This is what I love about the internet, and using translators and subtitles. I really don't want any people, thinking of other people, like they fit somewhere on a scale of worst to best. But it's really difficult, isn't it, not to begin to see things that way, when you know so much, about yourselves; your family, your culture, your country, even your continent, and then only get snipets of information, regarding people elsewhere in the world?

I have this beautiful picture of human migration, over hundreds of thousands of years, flowing out from Africa, all around the globe; all the way to the Southern tip of South America. But it really wasn't like a beautiful flowing, maybe only for the people on the very edge of the expansion, but, after that, the streams all dried up, and people collected like droplets of water, down a pane of glass. Each of those droplets, becoming the tribes, cities and states of the world. I wish we could have all chosen to stay in touch, but we're mending those cracks, aren't we? With things like trade, politics, tourism, immigration and the internet? Our are we just going to come on here and reinforce those old stereotypes, and, distinctions, that our ancestors have been dying for, since, well, probably since the dawn of cellular life itself?

I'm tired. Physically, mentally, and culturally. I'm tired of thinking about people, justifying murder, to claim resources, from other people.

#448 Re: Main Forum » The game is dead » 2020-03-28 13:47:15

schmloo wrote:

Yeah, pretty sure it’s died a slow, agonising death. All the while that the end-game can be reached in less than a day, because there’s no further levels of technology, and people want to restart the cycle again, even if it means sacrificing those hours of work. Need content.

Anyone that does rush to kerosene in a day, should just quit. Let new players discover the tech tree among each other.
If you are capable of that, and still want to play, you should probably just be teaching, not doing it for other people and riding into an Eve village with a horse cart of bottles, filled with sulfur and palm oil... that's what really makes the game uninteresting; looting towns for the sake of someone on Discord that just spawned as an Eve.
Give players the chance to experience the foundational stages of the game, when it really counts. Don't force them to go off in the woods and die alone, lot of them don't even know the steps to make fire, or what it takes to make a firebow, and they never will, because they'll play a dozen lives and go back to Minecraft.

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You might think that's a good thing for Jason; easy money, but it's not, it doesn't grow the game, doesn't help his career, not going to get word of mouth going that's for sure "One what? Oh yeah, I played that game, it was pretty boring. Nothing to do." because you did it all for them. I'd appreciate if you stopped making them feel useless. Not necessarily you, schmloo, but you catch my drift. Slow down folks, savor the finer things. And if you want to hook up your friends Eve village, drop off a few horse carts full of rabbit carcasses, 40 meters away, let a new player discover them on his own and make sense of what to do with them. They'll keep their temps up, food consumption lower and the water will last.

Maybe the players should be divided into 3 servers: 0-100 hours, 100-1000 hours, and 1000+, or even 0-10, 10-100 and 100+ or just make it more obvious for people to choose different servers, by listing them all from the start, the way most other games do it. Most new players probably have no clue there are other servers.

#449 Re: Main Forum » What is racism? » 2020-03-28 13:01:34

pein wrote:

when you discriminate between black beans and green beans that is racism

I've always wondered about green people, who are they? Armenians? Italians? Greeks? Twisted is a Croat, what's he considered? Slav? As a person from Europe, do 'you people' discriminate against slavs?

But the real question I want answered; what defines a Chav?

#450 Re: Main Forum » What is racism? » 2020-03-28 12:49:39

Once I rode into a black town and asked where the basketball court was, where their chicken farm and watermelon patches were.
It's okay, I have racist friends. I can talk like that.

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