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@jasonrohrer

& there are not even all those murders included on babies, kids, teens & young mothers holding babies
i mean actual murders by attack, not "just" left for dead babies, those are a different story

& whom do you even ask ?
the only players left are those ready to accept cheap OHOL life & willing to kill in return
there are no peaceful players left, all fled, as IRL is happening in violent areas

i wrote meantime my negative review of OHOL
i didn't play the game since over a week
& i am not intending to play until substantial improvements are made about the victims

3 general suggestions from me, a non killer & a multiple victim :
1. empower victims (& i mean here, not to make them offenders themselves, ok)
2. make murder harder (no more easy kill with one click)
3. classic karma (killers respawn as animals, life span 10 minutes, killable)

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maybe at least those cases of accidental killings move Jason to reconsider including something to empower the victims,
because unintentional killings or killings of the wrong person, by mistake are quite numerous

if my suggestions were already implemented, Tim could have been saved or he would have been able to save himself

would to kill a person be needed two strikes & not just one, then Tim would have lived
would there be medicine in place for Tim to use or for somebody else to administer, then Tim could have been saved

@Feldspar

no idea why you gloat
Ash died from old age, so he was able to live a successful life as a murderer to the fullest
your life on the other hand was determined by that very killer as well,
even if he didn't kill you directly you praise his doings by singing a song of his "bravery", to stand up alone against a village & murder at least 3 persons
he has even a proud place in your lineage, next to your place
he doesn't even suffer any disgrace & an actual lineage ban !

would it be that detrimental to your gameplay if there were options to prevent murder, options to protect against murder & options to cure a victim after an attack ?
what if the attacks of Ash were not always successful but some of them would misclick & he wouldn't be able to kill his prey ?
what if he needed two clicks to murder & his prey would had a chance of running away because not even injured ?
what if there was a cure after Ash would have injured someone & that person would have recovered instead of dying ?
what if one of his attacks backfired & he would be injured or even killed by it, just like that ?

i would like to know what becomes of the player behind Masha

in stories like this the autor always forgets that this is another player, not some AI, gone & never alive, this is another human being, not the NPC bear
doesn't anybody ever think further than the first act of killing ?
cause with that the story is not at all at its end
the next act might be even more interesting, who knows, but it will probably enable the player behind Masha to become better skilled in surviving attacks like this & be more efective at killing, so probably also harder to kill next time

was this the intention ?
or what was the intention behind this story ?

yeah
wouldn't i be preoccupied with my main problem of the helplessness of a victim
then i could pine for lots of needed changes to the way a player spawns

but i suppose Jason is against any intentional spawning mechanism & prefers to throw players randomly into whatever situation, which makes for exchangeable lives, exchangeable persons,
i can deal with that but if i wanted to actually build something in OHOL, like a family, a town, a lineage, which would mean something to me, then randomness is surely not the road to satisfaction & long-term motivation

i think the main problem with this murder problem is
that players, Jason included, are more afraid to have options which benefit all, even the killers than they are afraid of being killed
they are even more afraid of being griefed, means to lose their in game possessions than to lose their in game life
& they are willing to sacrifice the peaceful gameplay because of that fear

in the current state of the game there are no options included to play in a peaceful way
all suggestions which point in that direction are always rebutted with the same one argument - it will benefit the killer & griefer
nobody is ever thinking about the peaceful gameplay which would be enhanced also, everybody is stuck in the killing loop & the fear to lose the easy way to kill the griefer

& that is probably a basic problem of this game, a game where you have exchangeable names, exchangeable faces, exchangeable families, exchangeable lives - did you lose that one life ?, there is always another life around the corner, so why bother ? why regret that one life lost ?

the life itself in OHOL is less worth than any work done, any possession built
& that's just not a good foundation

if life was more valuable in OHOL then maybe players would be more inclined to save it
so far to kill is more worth than to survive
the life, one life should be more precious & not a dispensable multipack good

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so because killers would have easier to kill
that's why all innocent & peaceful victims are let bleeding to death

that's the civ we all need
to protect easy killing of everybody
what a game

@AstroTitan

first you accept the way how OHOL deals out death while being killed, ALWAYS with only one single stroke & ALWAYS 100% successful
& then you criticize my formulation
this is not helpful

i do not wish for injuries in OHOL
injuries in OHOL will add - yes, ADD - even more suffering into the already overflowing pool of victimization of players
injuries will add another opportunity for aggressive violent players to make other players suffer at whim

same goes for your next suggestion - to tie players up, adds another opportunity for more griefing by, again, another addition of another option to victimize players

you assumption that OHOL is a historically acurate game was rebuffed by Jason, he meant that it's not the case
it's probably easier for him to just add what he thinks fun instead to look up how it actually was happening
also your opinions how things worked in stone age & "primitive societies" are pure speculation, please just talk about what you know for sure how it works IRL instead to speculate while you just imagine things as it pleases you, i rather doubt you are an actual archeologist or anthropologist, so it's pure speculation without even any solid knowledge behind

the complete lack of options to deal in a peaceful way with violence & aggression is the issue here & not the number of players
the number of players doesn't change OHOL's bias leaning towards empowerment of violent players at the expense of helplessness of victims, the receivers of that violence

it's not the number of how often a player is being killed
it's the fact that a player is helpless when facing a killer & that a murder takes only one strike & is always successful

there is no options of prevention, protection & cure
also no options of random misclicking, no cases of unsuccessful attempts to kill, no backfiring either

& there is also another matter
maybe there is a misconception here at work

one cannot want to have a peaceful game while not giving every player, even those violent & aggressive players, the freedom to protect themselves against the violence of players who think they have the right to be aggressive & violent

actually just protection works only both ways, not one way

either everybody has the right to protect themselves or the whole system is unjust, skewed & corrupt

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@jasonrohrer

there is a traditional RL karma belief

people committing crimes are believed to be born in the next life as non human

we have bears, wolves, snakes, pinguins, sheep, seals & rabbits already in game

how about the inclusion of the traditional karma into the gameplay ?
every player who kills will be reborn the next time as an animal either near an already populated by other players area or other players being spawned nearby afterwards
that animal life will either end after one hour or by being killed by the humans
one could also either disable the suicide option for that life or not

by the inclusion of more options to animals & more animals in general this wouldn't be even that of a punishment but more of an alternative gameplay

additional could be a marking system included, a player will be spawned as an animal next time if marked by three different players
this could develop into an anti griefers tool, at least i hope so

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that's just a suggestion about the negative consequences of being a murderer & killer
i am still actually more interested in the positive consequences, the reward options for playing OHOL in a constructive way
one has to encourage & reward the positivity

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@all
you all can vote here for or against this suggestion
https://www.reddit.com/r/OneLifeSuggest … an_animal/

that's the spirit !!!

just insult your opponent party if you're out of intelligent & truthful argumentation

just brush over a described imbalance with generalized statements, this is the way !
tell them Eclipciz how wrong they are, insult them & tell them how right you are !

because you know it, if something occurs seldom that means it just doesn't occur at all - that's the logic to lead the way !
just swipe the injustice under the carpet & cover it with all the good moments those "fucking sheeple" have to remember, cause clearly you're right, the many good lives just outweigh the one injustice ! ... or two ... or three ... those "fucking sheeple" have to shut up while being led to slaughter

first off
IRL people are not born recalling pleasantly successful killings from their past lives & do not proceed doing the same as soon they can hold a knife stolen

ad 3. NOPE
murder is performed in OHOL always in the same easy way
one stroke & the victim falls from perfect health to being dead, this is not how it happens IRL
IRL not every attempt to murder is successful, some even backfire, some people attacked don't get even a scratch, many survive because they were of robust health, trained, easily healing, got help & medicine in time, could protect themselves, had immense luck etc etc
nothing of all this is included in OHOL, if it was, i wouldn't be here writing

& why most posts about murder are about killers & what happens to the killer, about what happens after the murder ? why nobody of those who write about are talking about the victims ? is this some kind of a blind spot or a tabu ? is it too painful, to scary to talk about lives not lived ? or are victims already forgotten because they are dead ? what sort of civilization is this which doesn't care what happened to the life taken ? why bulding a town where nobody cares about the life not lived because everybody cared for the killer ? what ethics is this ?

ad 5. & following - NOPE
i am not a helpless victim IRL, even if someone would try to murder me, i have many options to protect myself, starting already with prevention, with far from being in any sort of danger to be killed
i don't even need a whole society to care for my survival, i am surely now not trained enough to survive easily in the wilderness, but if i would have to, then i could take precautions even against idiots with bow & arrows trying to hit me

a society cannot develop & thrive if there are no prevention options, every society will wither if danger is present on a daily basis
just look what happens in countries where unrest, war, coup, gangs, dictatorship or other sorts of violence become a daily normal, the society stops working, half of the populace flee if they can & if the violence persists, then civilization stagnates & doesn't progress
civilizaiton needs peace, the only civs without peace are depicted in fiction, there is not one RL example of a civ which managed to thrive without peace, every society blossoms after violence is reduced to a manageable, marginal occurance - compared to RL is OHOL's violence out of hand, would this be happening IRL, people would flee out of country - just like i did from OHOL & like players already did by fleeing either to private servers with murder disabled or to unpopulated servers or just leaving without wasting additional time to talk about it

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exactly

OHOL is highly imbalanced
it wants to be a peaceful game while it is made artificially hard & all protection not there while disruptive players have a free pass
not to give players options to protect themselves while killers & griefers have easy options to destroy is just a no-go
it's neither an openly violent game nor an actually peaceful game which makes it in fact extremely violent & unjust

btw, there is still another scenario to your story
you try to get a bow & arrows made, someone thinks you're the killer & points the actual killer towards you - you're dead, the killer chuckles & kills off everybody else