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So it's crappy misleading guide and nobody will be able to grief using it.  Where's the problem?

And I never been a griefer.  But I've been griefed many, many times over.  And I seek for advice how to defend.

Thanks for catching it.  That's a typo - should be "a snare". Fixed.

That's not encouragement for griefing.  It's main purpose is to come up with strategies to defend against it.

Please read recent Jason's posts.  Bad guys are here to stay.  He wants criminals in the game.  And you should be able to defend against them.  If you are not, that's something he needs to fix.  So that's legitimate way to play, fully supported by game designer.  Instead of crappy NPCs, you have fully sentient opponents.  Makes for way more interesting play, if balance is right. (It's not ATM, but it's my personal opinion, and I may be wrong.)

And I'm not ruining the game.  I'm pointing out the balance issues I see, hoping they will be addressed somehow.  Those are things that griefers did to me over time and I have no faintest idea how to defend.  I don't believe in security by obscurity.  Only hoping that nobody will use them on me doesn't work.

I'm not sure about this solution (wasting half of the soil).  It again raises a bar for selecting spot as Eve. It needs to have plentiful soil close by in addition to dozen of other requirements (scattered desert tiles close to lots of ponds, lots of reed, clay, plenty of food in large green biome, close badlands with iron, lots for rabbits not far away, ...).  Without large close amouts of soil it'll spiral down into famine pretty quickly.

I'm talking about 1st/2nd gen.  You must have second very experienced player to pull off smith at this time, so it rarely happens.  Setting up food/milkweed farm is full time job.

Shouldn't be allowed IMHO.  It's mostly done because somebody doesn't know better or for griefing.

They just don't know - it has been introduced few day ago.  And I start by making kiln and bowls, before I bring first basket of soil. No reason to plant anything before you have means to water it.

Yeah, I'm aware of this.  It's not trivial, but kind of simple to solve (find overlapping areas).  More difficult may be to handle partial wipes of map, where some areas match and some suddenly change.  Anybody knows how wipes work?  Are terrain tiles affected, or only items?

It would be nice if you could actually aim at someone hiding behind tree, etc. (the same way you can pick up a hidden item).  Killers frequently hide to wait out the cooldown and then stab again.

Only when I ate a lot of them first

That's very similar to what I'm doing.  I try to play once, meet griefer instanly.  Then I stop playing, because the chances are that we'll both be respawn in next biggest village/town soon.  And I'll keep meeting him until I'm Eve or Eve's child, which is kinda boring.  Either camp is badly misplaced and I can't fix it.  Or if I succeed and there are 10+ people, griefer will be born there as well.  So it's kinda pointless to play if even one griefer is playing on the same server at a time.

Yay, we've got life extension tekknology! Will we get 61-year olds by repeated stabbing?

On serious note: Thanks.  I would prefer ability to mob up against griefer using common tools, but maybe this change would do.

Why I always get griefer in my first game?  This is some kind of cruel punishment?  If so, I don't know for what.  I just got born, my mom fed me once or twice, took a knife, killed Sophie West and let me die.  WTF???  Now I'm on lineage ban, so no West town for me today... Fucking griefers...

I'm not even trying to play another game. I'm nearly sure griefer will be reborn there soon.

Definitely not.  Or you have to provide some other defence against griefing for early camps.  For example I had a griefer in 2nd gen camp (practically 1st - Eve just found the place, I've setup everything else there).  Girefer just picked up rabbit bones and littered all over the place making any work difficult - it's just two clicks per tile, way more to cleanup, as you have to find empty distant one. Hard to eat, as you have no free tile to put down thing you are holding.  No bow yet and she first stole all milkweed I've planted. I've managed to steal one of the rabbit bones, she just made another in my own campfire.  I waited to steal another, but I've run out of food first and she could continue.  Finally someone run to distant biome, to gather mikweed, make bow, arrow, chased her and killed.  Took like 10-15 minutes to deal with.  And that's quite inept or benign griefer.  You can easily totally wreck Eve settlement in few minutes.  It shouldn't be that 6 people around can only watch it being wrecked.  If you piss off a bunch of people, they should be able to stop you.

Has been tweaked one way, can be tweaked in another.  Can be tuned down e.g. to 15 minutes/5-7 minutes by horse and it becomes viable.  Especially if you have reason to go there (scarce resources) and must meet the other townsfolk and can't coexist peacefully with them (too little resources to support both towns).

I don't think that Jason wanted to prevent interaction between towns.  The intention was to prevent Eves simply going to nearby town.  That can be handled by having transportation methods that are not feasible for Eves.

+1

I would love the game to go in that direction.  Some problems (like water, soil, food) should become mostly "solved" in bigger towns.  But in exchange you should get bigger, better problems.  The following is just illustration of what I mean.  It can be anything that is complete non-issue when you have small camp, but becomes very important once you have thriving town:

Imagine you have water, soil, food problems solved in town, in a way that it's not much work to support it.  But that tech requires resources that you just run out of locally.  And they happen to spawn just in the middle between big towns.  Enough to support one town, but not both long term.  There is clear incentive to go raid the other town.  You need a dedicated army, horses, carts, etc.  And it's multi generational effort to pull off.  And griefers have very important role there to play.  And you would bless Pein for building graveyard wall around the town, so that enemy cannot attack you just from any angle they want.

Would you like to be part of that story?  I would.

I think that some karma system is needed to pull it off.  Or anything else that will make it so: killing you own folks bad, killing other town's folks good. Otherwise people will just spawn in the other town and kill everybody there.  No real challenge.