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Killing doesn't need to be nerfed - I've aleady wrote it.  And obviously I can run, but what's the point?  I can't keep running every single game.

Did you know that you had blue blood in you veins?  I made your great great great great grandmother Darling West a queen.

I'm so happy to see such a long chain of good rulers.

As an old person you are more likely to starve than kill somebody.  So it probably won't work.  Also giving a knife to some random schmoe can aggravate situation instead of solving it.  And anyway it doesn't solve real problem.  That's not a penalty for griefer.  He will just be teleported to grief some new village.  Most likely together with executioner.  Actually it's probably the reason I get griefer 2-3 times in a row.  I meet him once.  Either I deal with him or he with me.  We get then respawned in next biggest town within 15 minutes and unknowingly meet each other there.  Finally I get spawned as Eve and don't meet him or he suicides seeing Eve that didn't even set up a camp yet.  I see him again few hours later, when lineage ban in towns expires for both of us.

If well designed it will not. Or at least very very rarely. Like IRL - sometimes innocent person is convicted, but it doesn't happen very often.

Automatic system won't work - I write this every single time somebody proposes this.  It should be instead upon people to decide who's griefer and who's not. We can easily exploit the fact that there are very few griefers, but they affect a lot of people.

It's fine as it is.  Pushing this lever more doesn't solve anything.  Griefer still can grief every single game, all day long, every day, with total impunity.

I already wrote proposal for karma based system to weed out griefers:
https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewt … p=2#p16279
or actually find usefull roles for them:
https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewt … p=2#p16290

I'll copy&paste it below to ease out discussion.  If you find some problem with it - please, please tell me.  I'll fix it.

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It has been already proposed many times - curse and karma.  We can exploit the fact, that non-griefers highly outnumber griefers, but griefer usually harms a lot of people at once (not only by direct killing).

Every player in a game can curse you.  To prevent abuse you can curse only once per game/day/whatever will work best, so it can't be used effectively by griefers themselves or over petty stuff.  Being cursed 2-3 times shouldn't matter much, and your karma decays to neutral, so you are being "forgiven" your misdeeds over time.  If you get, say, 5-10 people cursing you, you get sent to prugatory server.  That means you spawn only in games with other griefers, to hone your griefing strategies.  Punishment doesn't need to be harsh, only inevitable - it may last for few hours or a day or so.  Then you are back on normal servers, but you are "on probation" for a week or so.  If you get significant number of curses in this time, you get sent for longer and longer periods to purgatory, with longer and longer probation periods.

Actual numbers doesn't matter much, they can be tweaked over time. There may be also small variations, like giving people that invested more into the game "stronger" curse (like elders in village, people with higher karma). Or giving some protection against curse for noobs during their initial period, etc.

As non-griefers highly outnumber griefers, it shouldn't affect many players. Ideally almost nobody should be in purgatory, unless he likes it.  It should function more as detterrent, than punishment.

If you see any significant drawbacks to this, please share them.  I really want to improve it.

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Small addendum to my previous post about karma, that may please my opponents a bit.  I don't want to prevent raids.  So only your close blood relatives can curse you.  If you take a horse with a cart and go kill people and plunder other town - God bless you.  They can curse you how much they want - it has no impact or even bumps up your karma.  Having city walls and guards starts to make sense then. Paying tribute by villages to larger town for protection also. Having experienced griefer born as your kid in town will be actually awesome.

So you saved me.  Thanks!  I was one of the boys:
http://lineage.onehouronelife.com/serve … &id=316055
Got born when famine was very close.

Indeed she was.  There was large famine.  I brought few cartfull of soil to get berry, carrot and wheat production restarted.  She saw that, told me that she trusts me and passed  down crown and knife when she got old.  I made sure that composting, food production and milkweed farming gets restarted. Hid a bow that somebody was making. And partrolled smith to see what's going on there.  BTW. "-What you are smithing? -Ahh, some tools" - that kind of answer to king may get you killed, you know. Wasn't necessary though - they've given up after I stood there with a knife in backpack for a while.
 

I passed crown and knife to some hard working girl (Darling).  She lived till 60 and I don't see killing spree there this time.

I'm not making griefiers win, bad game design does.  Griefers are tiny minorty, but they can have huge impact.  They can easily affect 10+ people.  That's clearly misdesign.

They really did.  Having 5-6 games with griefers in them (and 2-3 bar minimum per day). Running as Eve few times without finding suitable spot to set up a camp. Helping as Eve's child prop up badly misplaced camp and if you succeed, griefer shows up.  That's not what I call fun.

Tried one more game today.  Struggling village, but I see that I can help a lot.  Then, before I was old enough to pick up a thing, I heard murder scream.  Yeah, lots of fun coming... I'm off for good.

[INB4: Yeah, I know I could hide in the woods, wait until I'm old enough, make bow and arrow and come back for revenge. I actually run after griefer later on, so he could not make another arrow.  I was too young to steal bow, though.  It's just not fun for me to spend half my lifetime to chase some noob griefer.  He wasn't even that skillful, but it still takes huge chunk of your time to deal with him.  And there is no penalty for them.  All I could achieve is teleport him so he can grief another village.  The longer he stay there, the less people affected.  So I left.]

Well, water is infninite (with high number of wells and for low values of infinite ) and makes itself.  Making soil is full time job.  And stealing shovels, picking up all berries, eating all carrots, cutting all wheat or killing all sheep halts production for at least 1 gen.  If you do two of the things from this list, it takes a lifetime to restart composting.

Any way to figure it out?  Maybe a post comment/request button inside game itself (at start or after a life)?  That would gather some feedback.

Aren't stats a bit different for MMOs?  Isn't 1/t curve for games that you play, finish, and "be done" with?

+1
A crowd with axes, hoes, hatches, stones and fists should just ROLFstomp one guy with a knife. Even tiny damage with each of those items with long cool down would dispatch griefer instantly. Allow people to lynch.

Insta kills are bad design anyway.  It would be also helpful, when only others can heal you.  That would put lone griefers at huge disadvantage.

Must be more than that.  I've seen in some Jason's post that 14000 people bought the game.  I usually see only 50 actively playing at any given time. It peaks to ~100 just after weekly update.