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Or if only each ingredient counted towards the nutrition, aka yum. That way you could only get yum from a gooseberry once, for instance, and if you ate a 'berry carrot rabbit' pie, it would give 3, 4 or even 5 yum, if you included the wheat and the water in the dough. Then any source of berry, carrot, rabbit, or wheat, would no longer count towards your nutrition.
If that leads to too many things being off limits, maybe do away with losing the bonus if you eat something twice?

I'll tell you what though, I eat raw tomatoes every week, and a raw onion does not phase me. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to eat them raw, or even, in their chopped form. This summer, one of my favorite things to cook on the grill has been whole, unpeeled, onions. I leave them on there till the dry papery outer layer gets charred and the juices begin to spit out the top, then I let em cool for a few minutes, peel that outer layer off and the inside... oh it's so good. It's like an onion ring, but without all that oil and batter on it, except it's the whole onion, caramelized in it's own juices. It's really good, if you like onions of course. If you try it, just be sure the juice is basically boiling out of the top of the onion, once it gets to that point, give it a few more minutes of heat then let it sit for about five minutes before you peel off the outer layer and enjoy. I do it with small yellow onions, about the size of a racket ball, maybe a tennis ball, and they shrink down a little after 10 to 15 minutes on the grill (time really depends on the conditions they're prepared) then I remove the burnt outer later, let em cool and just pop the whole thing in my mouth like a big cherry tomato.

I also eat all peppers raw, most of the time, but I'm the kind of person who will just buy anything I see in the produce section and eat it raw. Ate a whole raw eggplant last year, that was fun. The skin was like a fine leather, biting into it was pretty satisfying; really spongy inside, but once you're through the skin, it just tears open.

I really wish there were apples in this game. Raw apples, apple pie, heck, maybe even some cider.
Yeap, now I want some apple cider.

You just want a bigger basket!
6 in a portable container so cheap, just breaks the whole economy of containment and transportation.
The strength of the container is not a factor, nor is the density, or weight, of the objects that go into them.

Sure, maybe if the large basket could only be used for cotton, then that'd be a waste of reeds for every other use and arguments could be made on whether reeds (or straw) should be used for multipurpose baskets, or, baskets for cotton.

There are just not enough crossing branches on the way up to the canopy of the tech tree, in general.

Or, should I say, I wish there were more, and just leave it at that.

The needle and thread is a good example of the way things should, IMO, be. You can either get there via milkweed, or, via wool.
There is no distinction between a needle and thread made of wool or plant fiber, though maybe there should be, but the function is similar. The function is exactly the same, and thus, the items are exactly the same.

As Adela pointed out, the basket itself is another.

I am in favor of more things being added to the game, so long as it doesn't get easier, just more complex. With a greater variety of trees at all stages of growth, in the tech forest. With a thick soup of vines, hugging all the trees together.

A lot of Information in a short amount of Time might lead to a pretty big Conclusion, but Conclusions and Information, are finite.
C = I / T

Whereas Time exposed to more Information than Conclusions, is increasing constantly.
T = I / C

So, if you really want to be more Informed, give more Conclusions more Time.
I = C * T

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That said, I watched the video, got your reference, looked up Hamilton's Rule, found the Kin Selection Wiki and after reading

"R.A. Fisher in 1930 and J.B.S. Haldane in 1932 set out the mathematics of kin selection, with Haldane famously joking that he would willingly die for two brothers or eight cousins."

have decided that I too, would die for Two Brothers.

It's a good movie.

Not so sure about the Eight Cousins though.
Sounds like something David Crane, or, Norman Lear, would produce.

If tundra were replaced with seas:

Gunnin for that Twisted thumbnail job.

This community lacks variety.
Go to a forum for a game like Dwarf Fortress and you will find

Threads on Buying Glasses
Threads for Cooking
Threads for hundreds of board games.
Threads for thousands of other video games.
Threads for people who are drunk.
...
There are over 4.6 million posts alone, in over 160,000 different threads.
A large number of them having absolutely nothing to do with the game except for the fact that the person making the post, just happens to also, more than likely, play DF.

This is something that we lack, a connection as human beings that is above and beyond the scope of the game.

So much on this forum consists of
Players griping about each other.
or
Players griping about Jason.
or
Players griping about the game.

With the occasional positive story mixed in for fresh air, but it's only a positive story, that took place in the context of the game.

We are not sharing our lives with each other.

We are not sharing our hobbies with each others.

We are not sharing ourselves, with each other.

Because we are not finding more positive ways to connect with one another, the game, which requires a community of players to function on any appreciable scale, is going to stagnate, because our relationships with each other, will stagnate. I don't want that to happen to something I care this much about. I don't want that to happen to something I've put so much time into.

Seeing this community shrink, is like seeing your daughter starve to death when she is 14.
See, I couldn't say that to a Rubik's cube reddit and it mean the same thing, I couldn't say that anywhere else but here, and you know from experience, what I mean.

I don't want to talk to some strangers on a reddit board, I want to talk to those of you I have been playing this game with for over 2,000 hours. I want to set an example that you can follow, that you can be yourselves, and get to know each other as real human beings, with all your quirks and questions that come with you.

In a way, we are like employees at the same company, and a thread about cooking lasagna, or solving a Rubik's cube, or about raising a son with autism. Maybe we don't have permanent characters in the game like people in other MMOs have, but that shouldn't keep us from having each other, in whatever ways we choose to share ourselves. It certainly would help to alleviate a lot of the stress I see here, and it might just attract a lot more people who would feel comfortable playing with us and helping us to build parks and nurseries and engines together.

It certainly wouldn't hurt the game if we cared more about each other and we knew that more of those people making pies, searching for iron and killing snakes, were doing so, because they cared about us too. That they cared that were more than just avatars on the boarders of NPCs, but that each of us, might very well be, someone we care deeply for, because we connected on several other levels, as people.

I made this post for a lot of reasons, but perhaps the most important one was, because I was thinking about you. I was thinking about everyone here, everyone that is a person that has enjoyed playing this game, so much, that they felt the need to come to this forum, and to communicate with each other.

I see comments quite often where people are not talking about the game, so much as they are talking about each other, as people, on this forum, and elsewhere on the internet, and are insulting them, for all sorts of things. And not in the sort of way family members speak to each other, but more in the sort of vein that drunks who aim to hurt each other, speak outside of a bar.

It's not a very good sign, unless, you see the lack of something, as a vaccum, that might bring it in. I mean, it's kinda like thinking  by making a Jupiter sized, negative magnetic pole, you're going to get a Jupiter sized magnetic field, from the Earth. It's just not going to happen, there just isn't enough field strength and besides... you know what, maybe this isn't the best analogy? I trust you get the point though.

You know, there is only so much time, a person can devote, to anything in their lifetime. If any game community understands that, it's going to be us. So, while Jason works and the game itself, it's really up to us, to work on the community side of all this.

And sure, right now, there may not be a whole lot to this game, compared to so many other projects out there, but for now, it's alive, and so are we. Maybe it's about time some of us bring a little life to this forum? Maybe someone that really grows gooseberries, would be a little more inclined to share their story with us? Maybe one of us is actually a baker in real life, and could make and give their opinions on, what a real mutton, berry and carrot pie tastes life. Maybe one of us restores antique engines, and would just love to share their thoughts on the process as it's portrayed in the game, but just doesn't see that the community is diverse enough to welcome such an endeavor.

You know though, what I'd really like to see more of on this forum, actual moms, talking about their kids. Giving each other tips and support on things like changing diapers, vaccinations, circumcision, abortion, what it was like for them to recover after their child died shortly after birth. Real things that real mothers, and real fathers, have had to experience. I want everyone, to be comfortable talking about anything to one another. I want young women who play the game, to read stories about menopause, as older women joke about dealing with hot flashes. I want to read stories from mothers who had entire hospitals on standby, as they tried to deliver quadruplets.

Just, anything, anything more than the same suggestions and complaints people have been making since I started playing this game last year. So much here is monotonous, and so much of that monotony has turned so many people away. People all of you could have learned a wealth of information from, by just getting to know them.

We're not in the game here. We have more than an hour to convey our thoughts. We have thousands of lives worth of time, to get to know the one person, each of us are and to spend this one life with each other.

Limiting this one opportunity, to just talking about the game, would be like limiting the game, to drawing a card from a deck, when there is so much more, to it, and to us.

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The Rubik's cube is a very small part of my life, but it's an interesting puzzle, I think it would also be something challenging to try and include in a game. Sure, maybe a game more like Myst, or, even Minecraft, but Jason managed to put a deck of poker cards into the game, even if it doesn't function perfectly like a real deck would, it's still a pretty impressive feat.

But that is another interesting thing about this community, many of the people that pass through here, are also game designers, and no doubt do some of them come here, just to get ideas for other games they may be considering. No doubt Jason has drawn a lot of inspiration from other games in much the same way.

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I'd just like to see more variety on this forum, for the sake of everyone's sanity.

Welcome more, to the community, not less.

I bet you there are some equestrians out there would would love to play this game and share their thoughts on the behaviors of real horses. Some of them may also be looking for advice on how to raise kids. Maybe they had a Rubik's cube growing up, but never managed to solve it, and this thread will give them the inspiration to pick one up and have a go at it again. Maybe they experience the joy of solving it for the first time and that memory is forever tied to Jason, this game, and this community.

We just don't know, until we try, what, may come of our actions. But we can put, all sorts of good information across this forum, and you better believe that people from all walks of life, will happen upon it, and their lives will forever be changed, that has been the nature of forums since at least, AT LEAST, the first year I used the internet in 1989, and it certainly became that with the web, shortly thereafter... if not before, I don't know, first time I used a web browser was winter of 91/92. It was so nice not having to change protocols... when so many things were in one place. That's where the people went, to web. To share pictures, documents, music, games, about all sorts of things, all the pages with their own unique take on subjects.

Variety is the spice of life.

You caught me at a strange time of the day, I'm pretty tired. If I assumed too much, as we all often do, feel free to let me know.

I appreciate the suggestion though, if it were people who all came together just to talk about cubes, I may have a harder time finding one of them that also plays OHOL. But I think I've spent more time playing this game, just over the last 2 years, than I have holding a cube over the course of my entire life. I'm a little more comfortable being here, than anywhere else, at this time in my life. Someday that'll probably change and I'll regret it, the way we do all changes, that involve distancing ourselves, from the ones we've come to know and love. But near 30 years of this, and I've both, gotten used to it, and perhaps grown a little tired, of watching communities dissolve, and losing touch with people I didn't know I'd miss, until they were gone...

Gone...

gone.

あなたの勇気と思いやりは賞賛に値する。あなたの視点を共有してくれてありがとう。

It's worth noting, I typed "admirable" and it translated to "deserve praise" which I would say mean two different things in English, but none-the-less, I meant what I typed. Thank you for sharing your story and perspective on this subject with the rest of us, all over the world.

I have raised many people in this game, perhaps more than anyone else, and though the language barriers may keep us from fully understanding one another, care and compassion are messages that transcend words.

While not the same types of disabilities, I have had a desire to see the effects of consumption displayed in our bodies shapes and our health and movement speeds.
Perhaps people who eat small amounts, only when they are starving, and hear the warnings too often, could be displayed as malnourished, with thinner torsos. Where as people who often eat food who's value exceeds the maximum amount of the player's food meter, would become more rotund and move slower.

Even if it didn't translate to physical changes in the face and torso, I think it would be easier to adjust things like movement speed. But where a heavier person may move more slowly at all times, a skinnier, malnourished person may run out of energy, or stamina, after a certain amount of time and suffer even greater movement penalties.

I've thought about a lot of things in this game, but for as good a programmer Jason boasts he is, the vast majority of things you find in other video games seem exceed his grasp. Which is fair, not every game needs to be as complex, if not more so, than titles like World of Warcraft or Lineage, The Sims or Dungeons and Dragons, with all of their stats and modifiers.

Sometimes the simplest concepts, leave the most to be desired.

Just one more and I could have had a rope.
Now it's going to take up 2/3 of my basket, instead of just 1/3.

Firstly, I was wrong about the common notation, seems most people don't use T for Top or B for Bottom. Most seem to use U for Up and D for Down, that leaves B for Back and F for Front. I suppose R for Rear would just get confused with R for Right, and there aren't really good substitute words for Left and Right. So, most notations use F R U L B D, F' R' U' L' B' D' and F2 R2 U2 L2 B2 D2.

Secondly, the move I was trying to describe

that is called a slice, and there are 3 types of slices; equatorial, middle and standing. Equatorial is moving the layer between Up and Down layers, middle is moving the layer between Front and Back and a standing slice is moving the layer between Left and Right, but none of them are used by grubik's in the last 4 steps. The world of speedcubing notations get's pretty deep. I'll spare you the rest of that. Speaking of grubik's though...

Blue 90 Clockwise
Orange 180
Green 90 Counterclockwise
Orange 180

So, the algorithm might look something like
B O" G' O"
If we were to use the core's central piece's colors as notations for sides.

But why? Why was that the solution?
Well, looking around the cube in the state it was at before any of those steps, a few things stick out, but one seems to be the most important; that central vertical, or standing, layer is solved.

So, that is why we get the blue and green quarter turns combined with the two O" moves. Each 180 degree turn of the orange face swaps the edges of orange/blue and orange/green.

Another way to look at this might be, which pieces are out of place?

First, let's keep in mind the faces never change, not even if a slice is performed. Standard colored cubes will always have white and yellow faces opposed to one another, as well as green and blue and red and orange opposite each other. There is no move you can do to the cube to change that.

So, a piece is in place when the colors on it's sides are in line with the colors of that side. Sometimes pieces can be in the right position, but not oriented properly, such as red and white side piece, with the red side of the piece on the white side of the cube, and vice versa, but for the sake of this solution, I'll just say they are in the right place when their locations AND orientation are correct.

So, besides the four side pieces in that standing red/white/orange/yellow layer, which other sides and corners are in the correct place?

Okay, that was a pain in the ass. BUT, we did learn something. There are 4 other pieces that are in the correct positions, 3 corners; WOG, WOB and GOY corners and the Green and Orange (GO) side. So that whole GO edge from the white to yellow corner, is good, as well as the blue white and orange corner piece.

Now, I'm staring at this BOW corner piece and I find it interesting that the next 4 steps not only keep it on the orange layer, but they return it to it's exact position and orientation. The first rotation of the blue side, flips the white side of the piece up onto the orange side, bringing it over to the BOY corner, then we rotate the orange side 180 degrees, bringing it over to the GOY corner, then we rotate the green side 90 degrees counterclockwise, taking this corner piece over to the GOY corner, and the orange layer, the orange face, is done. Orange just needs to be rotated 180 degrees so that the yellow and white swap, along with the green and the blue.

This is one of those algorithms I recall for solving the corners of the final layer, in this case the orange face is acting as that layer.

This is pretty a pretty common last step in the standard, or, beginner, method for solving a cube. It's useful once you've gotten 1 of the corners of the last layer in place, but need to change around the other three corners. I don't know if that was exactly the same move, but, it reminded me of it.

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It really is a strange thing, getting your mind into the state where you can understand the mechanisms of a Rubik's cube. Watching pieces move around, as that corner did in the last 4 steps - it'll change the way you look at things, if you let it. It's a very unusual and, unintuitive, type of motion. Things in nature don't work like this. Joints don't work like this. Plants don't bend, twist and flip, quite like this.

It's also very tempting not to touch that piece. Since, it's in the right place from the start. I think that is another sort of, lesson, that we can learn from Rubik's cubes; maybe that just because something seems right at first, doesn't mean it won't have to change with other things, in order for everything to be right. Maybe that is a lesson you can take away from this, that you can apply elsewhere in life. Maybe to some deeply held belief, or, to a routine in your life? Of course, you don't want to do that with just anything. You have to know enough about the whole to know that changing that one thing, will make more things even better, and not worse. But then again, how bad can things really get due to such changes? As individuals, we may not have a lot of influence on the world, but some of us aren't just individuals, some of us, are leaders.

And with that in mind, I bid this thread farewell for now.

My apologies if I didn't explain as much as you wanted, if you wanted more. I encourage you to get into cubing though - revisit it if you have before, or, give it a try, if you haven't. Even if you don't want to buy a cube, there are a lot of digital versions of it, but, I can assure you, there is no comparison for holding one in your hands.

Good night.

Rumor has it if we activate 3 monoliths and then finish an end tower, all the dead animals come back to life and go straight for the nearest person.

I started that rumor.
Just now.