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Definitely. We haven’t solved security yet though and Android is inherently much less secure than iOS. We figured we could run beta test earlier if we just went with iOS first and let Android wait until we had security in place. But there is value in numbers, so if there are many willing beta testers on Android, we would need to have that in mind too.

The OHOL player base seems to be strongest in the US, and iOS is very strong there compared to the rest of the world. This also played a part in our planning.

My kids asked me to. What father could say no to that?

Hmm, not sure I like the idea of procedural generation in OHOL. No offense, Kinrany. One of the major selling points for me is the personal attention to detail that Jason is putting into this game. That every little item and transition is hand made.

Also, from a game building PoV, it’s very appealing to be able to make so large improvements without having to change the game mechanics.

I will keep an open mind, but I’m not sold on procedural crafting. I just don’t think it would remain OHOL anymore with a change like that.

@Anshin, YAHG, Izzytok
Regarding floors and temperature, please have a look at my June 19th post in this thread and let me know what you think: https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1544
Also mentioned in Jason's CORE thread: https://onehouronelife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2184

Jason's new thread on CORE made me want to revisit temperature again. Better to do it in one of the original threads than to start over, I'm thinking:

So, some time ago I stated that I was going to put some time into coding a more fleshed out system for the temperature, but then I never reported back. I did quite some research and actually put some of it into code:
- find out if the player is outside or inside a house
- if inside, shelter against wind and sun.
- treat heat from fire and heat sources as radiation - not conduction. If there are heat sources inside, then correctly calculate the temperature difference between inside and outside.
- if outside, get hit by wind and sun in addition to temperature
- improved model for clothes warmth and protection (e.g. don't let your clothes affect temperature and heat transfer for the tile you are standing on)

I found that wind and solar radiation were important to supplement pure temperature. Otherwise houses would have no real effect, and clothes would not have the correct effect in Snow and Desert biomes (which they don't have today).

This may sound overly complex, but it actually boils down to fairly small changes: biomes get wind speeds and solar radiation intensity in addition to base temperature; clothes use Clo values instead of insulation, but those could be calculated from the current data.

So why didn't I finish this job? I got to the feet when I realized that my approach would not solve the problem completely after all. Feet are the one body part which is touching the ground, and therefore needs to be treated differently. Walking in snow or on desert sand without protecting your feet will kill you (so will running naked in the desert, but not for the same reason). Also, floors should have some meaning, even though they don't affect temperature. This made me think wider and my eventual conclusion was that temperature is not by itself a good mechanic for governing survival (food burn). A few examples to illustrate my point:
- if you have clothes on while standing close to a fire, you may die from the heat. It's a bit unreasonable to assume that people who use both clothes and fire would accidentally die from it. Same situation for fire indoors or on a floor tile.
- in the warm desert, it's best to run around naked. In reality, you cannot survive a desert trek without clothes. So clothes and shelter ought to be paramount for survival in the desert.

And the conclusion: Any tech players use for survival should be assumed to improve their situation. Clothes, heat sources, houses, (future air conditioning, medicine, ...) should all be weighed in into a measurement which reduces food burn. To try to balance this measurement as cold-perfect-hot is not really a good model, and it will fit increasingly poorly as new technology gets added to the tech tree. Is vaccine hot or cold? No. Does it improve survival? Yes.

The simplest model would be to just have a single 'Tech' score for a player, and have clothes, walls, floors, heat sources, vitamins... all add something to it. It's impact on food burn should probably be a logarithmic curve. I don't know what the best visualization would be. Maybe colors or a value? Something that more clearly is showing what your current food consumption per minute is.

A better model would identify a limited number of 'Dangers' in the environment (different per biome) and let different tech protect against different dangers. Clothes offer protection against cold, wind, sun/heat; walls against wind and sun; fire against cold, (medicin/vitamins against sickness in the future) and so on ...
Still, the visualization should remain a single indicator of your current food burn.

So, what are the rest of you thinking? I think it's correct to have food burn vary with what you are wearing and what your surroundings are. I just don't think balancing temperature does the trick.

This part of your post is, at the moment, quite untrue. When a baby suicides, there’s more where that came from. It has almost zero implication for the two players involved (mother and baby). The mother can play on as if the birth never happened.

Baby abandonment, on the other hand, has a big impact on the baby player. It’s like a denial of service attack from the mother player. For new players, it has the potential of turning them away.

I agree with the rest of your post. Your idea with fertility planning is likely a better approach to solve the problem. That said, lazy or unknowing players might still cause a lot of baby abandonment, so it would be best to also make new players and ‘bad mothers’ have less babies.

No, the greatest motivator has always been laziness, or strive for comfort. Washing machines, cars, computers, ... they were not invented because they were needed, but because they save labor. Good food increases comfort, so I’d say new food items fit the bill. Electric pumps fit if they save labor once they have been built. Necessity is not a requirement

I would like to voice support for the ideas of pouches and pots for seeds and other small items. They could work similar to ponds, which you can take from, but also put more into. Maybe it would even be good if there weren't any individual seed objects in the game (meaning you need to have a pouch or pot to pick seeds into - you can't hold them or put them on the ground individually)?

Ultimately, it would of course be even cooler if the pouches were clothes items, so you could wear one or even two.

Jason, don't you think there could be a way to utilize your implementations for categories and patterns to easier make individual assets for pouches and/or pots for all seed types?

Great design, ryanb!
Really helpful when you're trying to grasp new content updates. Thanks!

That sounds like a possible way. It would have to be quite more than 26 letters though. Don’t forget that most Roman languages use more than the A-Z subset of the alphabet. ÜÅÄÖØĘÊÆÑ... It would look strange for Europeans if almost all characters were caps, but a few were not. So the font would need to support them all, and then we would have to make sure to catch them all and convert them to caps. Some work required, but not impossible.
We would have more problems with the Slavic languages, though, which use the Cyrillic alphabet. At least Russian is among the top 10 to support. Japanese, Chinese and Korean don’t share characters with Roman, so with them we could follow different rules, but the Cyrillic alphabet shares several characters with Roman, like AEKOCX. I guess it’s possible that these have a different encoding than A-Z, even if they look the same. I would have to find that out (or maybe someone on this forum knows?)

Hehe, that font was actually created by my father many years ago, so we can use that for free as well
https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/feltpen/

We'll need to ask him before posting anything that involves his economy. I hope to be able to answer later, ok?