a multiplayer game of parenting and civilization building
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I thought about this, and I don't think I want bacon. More foods that require a domestic boar to make, doesn't sound all that great.
But it would be a great teaching opportunity. A pen full of boars. You dare your child to go in. Child goes in, child dies. It's the circle of darwin. Tough love. We'll eat bacon afterwarts in memory of the dumb ones lost.
Newcomen is better, but eventually it will go broke and then you'll have to upgrade to an engine. I think if you have a newcomen and kerosene the best is to make a kerosene newcomen pump (will brake down too eventually). If I'm not wrong then it gives eight buckets of water.
The same reason we don’t have beef, garlic bread, sandwiches, cheese, mashed potatoes, baked potatoes, dill flavored chips, flour tortillas, salads, ice cream flavors, banana pies, corn bread... Jason pls
It's a crime against humanity. Fix this Jason. And I want coffee. Some people play this game in the morning, but we don't have coffee. We are nothing more then barbarians without coffee.
Bacon.
A flat rock on some hot coals, add butter and then pigs meat. Tada, you have bacon. And you can add it to eggs to get bacon and eggs. How can we even call ourselfs a civilization if we don't even have bacon.
I don't even know how you could trade. Say you have a horsecart full of tradegoods. You get of your horse to write your letter to negotiate the trade. Meanwhile the horse gets stolen and you are left with nothing.
What was the curse name of the griever that was smashing the main road at the black village (I think he also brought bears after that and the hole village died out)? I forgot what it was, but it is someone I cursed before.
Caprys wrote:Gogo wrote:I agree, some players are boring and mean.
Why thank you, I didn't think anyone would notice. But seriously, I'm to shy for roleplay and not that good at improvising (certainly not in English). I like to watch people that are roleplaying. It's sometimes very entertaining.
Gogo said some players. Why would you be one of those players?
I'm not the most entertianing player, very low on communication and I certainly have pissed some people off. Some people love me, some people hate me. You can't win them all.
Have you considered ... tables?
Brilliant.
I agree, some players are boring and mean.
Why thank you, I didn't think anyone would notice. But seriously, I'm to shy for roleplay and not that good at improvising (certainly not in English). I like to watch people that are roleplaying. It's sometimes very entertaining.
Why can't we have clean towns. Or a hoover to suck up all the junk and dump it at the border of the town so you can sort that shit out. If only we had something to store all that stuff in, like a box. Or could stack it all in neat piles. That would be great.
That's adorable and funny.
What you have on the picture should be enough to open up iron veins east and west of your well spot (if they are close enough).
His argument here is basically since it takes less time for gingers to obtain kerosene for water and since water is crucial then the big bad Jason is making the game racist because gingers who are white spend less time getting water and time is the best ressource so this makes them "superior" to other races because they have more time.
I wouldn't say that it saves them time. They have to find the oil spots, make the resources to get it (witch include a lot of their own iron that has to be replaced), bring all the resources to the oil spot, prepare the oil spot, get the oil and to top it off they deliver it to the other fams doorstep without any repayment. Not to mention that most of the time empty tanks are not getting returned by the other fams. With means that the ginger that wants get oil after the first run have to go to other fam to retrieve the empty tanks or has to waste more iron of their own to make more tanks.
And the person that does all this is a veteran. That is one less veteran that can work in the ginger town to improve it.
I would love to see some variety. Too much people look the same in the towns. It's very confusing.
I have spend two days building a snow castle. I wanted to claim the well nearby, but I waited to long and it got tapped out. I claimed the well that tapped out my intended well. To my surprise the influence reached as far as the castle so in my ginger lifes I got kids. But no problem, the ginger town was nearby so I could still bring them to the home town. In my last life I had two kids. A boy and a girl. I brought them back to the home town, but they where in the middle of being grieved. Bears and boars everywhere and the food was low. I lost sight of my son, but I mannaged to convince my daughter to go back to the snow castle with me where there was food and it was safe. I took the bow and arrows at the castle and went out to kill the bears and boars in the hometown. Meanwhile my daughter had kids at the castle. My snow castle saved the fam. This makes me happy.
Have any of you been at my snow castle? What do you think of it? Feel free to yum up and take latex, sulfur or kernels. A donation of empty buckets is always welcome and putting blocks on the belltower when it's green will be epreciated. It's kinda my base for getting recourses.
Rookwood wrote:I don't think you've had a counterargument that the game promotes the view that whites or pales have intellectual superiority,
Because that's a stupid assertion. Everyone else who plays this game will tell you whites are the worst race.
They are not the worst race in game at understanding other families. Really, they are the *only* race that can understand members of other families in game.
They are the only race with a specialisation that can be learned by all the other races, not to mention paper, pencil and radios. Whites are the worst race, but even that is not enough for you. It sounds to me that you label them as white supremacist because you want them to be inferior. Being white and knowing more then one language doesn't make you a slaveowner. It doesn't make you a white supremacist. You're twisting reality just so you can be offended.
No problem, we can fix that. We'll just give the specialisations of the blacks to the whites and the language understanding to the blacks. Then they can be the useless fam that has nothing to offer, but in your eyes they'll be superior. Problem solved.
If you have overship to a gate, you can remove it with an axe. Make it again and you will be the only person with ownership.
So you can also remove fam owned gates with an axe? What about ally gates, can they be removed?
No, private property gates cannot have access revoked. An ally gate can have spring loaded door opening access revoked by banishment but if manually added via command they can still open close the gate themselves like it was a normal private property gate.
Sounds buggy.
Lets say you made a property and you give gate acces to someone, but that person then gives the hole fam ownership. Can this be undone?
People dont build fences because there really isn't any reason to with the game in its current climate. Any time that would be gained from using a town fence for dealing with griefers would be lost ten fold.
If you forgot, every family is completely reliant on one another. Having fences up is only going to slow down or even disable families from sharing resources. Ever ran around a town fence whistling at people and no one comes? Not to mention someone having to spend a good portion of their life repairing the fence every other generation.
This is why i built stone walls in the rift. A generation or two builds it and future generations never have to touch it again.
Time is wasted when someone wants in or out. Town fences and walls were only important in the rift because there were tons of people trying to raid and steal from towns, kill off families, etc. With biome restrictions families cant play selfishly anymore and succeed. So creating barriers between your family and others is pointless. Its hard enough to communicate with other families over resources, no ones going to make that even more difficult by putting a literal wall in the way.
True, it would waste allot of time. Another problem is that with a fenced in town with ally gates I don't think you can even let vistors from other towns inside your gate unless they follow the leader of your town (or follow a follower of your leader).
Thanks Jason! This is exactly what I was looking for. I've played a couple of games back in the day but I've been hesitant to keep playing because I just feel like I'm letting people down by not knowing how to do anything useful. I'm looking forward to doing some solo training in the woods.
I've you know how to yum then you are already helping allot. You're not letting people down. You are new and every expierenced player started as a new player. We understand. Ask help in the game, ask on the forum what you can do to help starter towns or what you can do in advanced towns.
This week brings you a new, less sever way: ally gates. Leaders can mark certain gates, designating them for ally access only. All allies of that leader can move through that gate. To stop someone from moving through the gate, the leader just needs to exile that person. And the ownership of the gate is inherited by the next leader when the current leader dies. Thus, you now have a new way to stop a trouble-maker: exile them, and suddenly, they can no longer travel in and out of the village, through the gate. You can even trap them inside, making them easier to confront and deal with.
The other nice thing about ally gates is that they are spring-loaded, so they automatically open and close as you walk through (and automatically keep non-allies out).
I understand the idea, but a fence all around your town takes too much maintenance. either people don't see it, don't know it has to be fixed, don't know how to fix it, know how to fix it but don't care or don't want to waste their time fixing it. It's just not efficient. Only the diesel/kerosine pen and the sheep pen gets maintained if you're lucky. property fences around the city will be gone the next time you come back in that town.
I would be more willing to make properties if I just once can come back to a town and it's still there. It never is.
Caprys wrote:very frustrating life. The engine of the white fam got stolen. I retrieved them an engine and some kerosine. with the help of a gatekeeper I stored it inside the gate. They got two more engines after that and more kerosine. I got latex for them and more palm kernels.
I want to do veteran stuff. Make engines, get oil. But it feels so pointless because you are working on the long term survival of the town and that just doesn't work out. The engines get destroyed, the oil hidden, wasted. This is why I stay away from veteran stuff. I still get tempted to do it sometimes, but most of the time it is just frustrating.
You and I have similar philosophies when it comes to our current families. At first I would become attached to a specific family and had no desire to play with others. Now it’s all for the fam or bust. I like how you “retrieved” 3 engines. Noice.
Haven’t played at all since the noob apocalypse, been gettin my factorio on till we can sustain a civ past frantically looking for a berry Bush. My meme score thanks me
Just to be clear, I didn't 'retrieve' three engines. I 'retrieved' one engine. Someone else got the other two.
Umm how is this not a problem that exists in OHOL?
You literally just described what we are talking about in your post. I have definitely experienced being targeted because of my skin color. I have been called racist slurs. I've been told that I was a slave and that I must obey my "master" when born as a black child in a muli-race town. I have witnessed people war-mongering based on skin color - wanting to kill all the *insert bad words here* and wipe them off the map.
If you choose to ignore the racist sub-texts and tell yourself it is just a game, that's on you. But racism is real in OHOL. We bring it into the game from the real world and the game design reinforces it inside the game world.
I'v been called a slave too, but I was a white woman helping in a black town.