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Please consider restricting the map. Despite the total size, banding puts a soft boundary on things. With the shuffle west there becomes a limit to reasonable travel east. So even with the current structure we are all stuck in a slender rectangle always moving west. It creates a sense of monotony. Moving, rebuilding, moving rebuilding. All the while resources from the east are shuffled west. So you see eve towns with lots of advanced tech in the first few generations. There is a loss to the natural tech progression.

Though i dont think the rift was perfect there was a far more dynamic element to progression. Resets were not just a matter of time or distance but by the communities effort to either maintain or destroy the world. The main issue with the rift was its size. It was too small, too easy to map in your head, and too easy to navigate as a whole. The size also greatly limited the lifespan of the rift. I think its possible to have all the elements you're looking for in your world, and more, in a limited map.

Areas would become so barren it would become so dangerous to enter them again, dead zones that would add an interesting dynamic to the map. They would likely house ancient ruins of once powerhouse cities that were lost to overconsumption. People would make hidden outposts and secret gardens. Giant monuments or caches of stolen good. Things we saw often in the rift, even with them only lasting a few days, but hardly anymore.

Size is the question. I think there is a middle ground between limitless and limited that has yet to be explored to its fullest. Good luck with the move. Think about it.

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Bots would have the ability to scan the surrounding area for food, calculate the shortest path and the exact amount of time needed to eat to optimize food. A bot would also be able to interact with things on the server as fast as the server could register the actions. Obviously it would take a decent amount of scripting but simply calling them drones would be an understatement. They would be monsters no player could ever compete with. One would be unstoppable, now imagine a village full of them.

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As much as its a cool idea. It would likely break the game and the use of bots would be promptly banned. As morty suggests its probably a better idea to create a variant of the game with bot support like you suggest. Players could rule an entire town or city and go to war with one another. Two people but hundreds of bots. Though i do see a system like this getting very boring after a while. Also there would likely be a lot of server weight with that many bots running, so you would need to rent a monster of a server. And running it 24/7 wouldnt be cheap.

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If you cant handle varying opinions and points of views you dont belong on these forums.

Jason has also said in the past he wont drop the game because hes still making decent money on it every month. Not because of the active player base. Jason makes money off of new players. Not vets who use mods. New players who grow frustrated and quit relatively quickly. Because the game as it stands, without mods, is awful. Yet we hold up this game and make it work by using mods. Without them we would see legitimate complaints and suggestions about the vanilla client. Jason would be forced to see the statistics and state of the game and attempt to adjust things. Its pretty simple. I understand being defensive over the mods and mod users. But their impact on the vanilla game isnt good or healthy.

Dodge didnt start discussing this specific topic, that was me. So if you want to talk shit bring it here. Dodge among others have just brought their own view point. Some agreeing and some disagreeing. This kind of discourse irons our ideas and discussions. If we didnt disagree or challenge each other we would never grow. If we all agreed or refused to acknowledge points of view different than our own the world would be in a very different place then it is today. Its ok to disagree and its ok to be upset about other peoples point of view. Instead of just getting upset and resorting to petty retorts perhaps try to convince them of your own point of view through thoughtful discussion. That is what these forums are all about arnt they?

That said. Someone whos only posted once. Their post having nothing to do with the game, besides mentioning it really. Attacks a user because they disagree with them. Hardly has the clout to say dodge, out of his thousands of posts, hasnt brought anything to this game or these forums. Its a bit hypocritical considering your position. Maybe dodge is right and its an alt account. Maybe you've brought a lot to the forums over the years and didnt want to stain your account with such a display. Then again maybe not.

Thanks for your response. Very inspired. As ive said before. Keeping a broken system alive through artificial means only hurts the game as a whole. As it makes the current system seem like it works and is fine as is. But thats not really the point. My main issue is people freaking out over a mod and acting like babies when it need to be fixed. Modders have lives and they arnt making any money, but as soon as something goes wrong with the mod everyone starts screaming like entitled children. The hetuw mod has almost died several times over the years. Mainly due to the toxic atmosphere surrounding this game. You should feel lucky there are people who care about this community to keep going, for free. Show them some respect, treat them like people. You're lucky they're still around.

Seriously who cares about dodges gender?

If we talked more about the game and less about micro analyzing  each other we would save each other a lot of reading.

Thats probably my main issue with the mods. I do love them and i respect the devs a lot, but we rely on them too much and it serves as a crutch for the vanilla development of this game. We need to fail, there needs to be holes, problems, and deficits. Every time someone artificially backs up the status quo using a mod the fewer reasons jason has to adjust things. Vanilla users are suffering, there is a reason its hell for them. We dont make it easier by bolstering a broken system and making it seem like it works by using artificial means.

Virus is deserved. Enjoy. Learn to actually play the game without depending on the good will of others. Maybe you'll actually understand what this game actually is. For noobs and "vets".

Get your eve family past 10 gens during the rift times and we can talk about what vets need to learn sobako. You dont know what hard is and you clearly dont know what it means to be a vet in this game. Most vets sacrifice their gene score so you can take for granted all the luxuries this game can provide. If you were not an entitled brat speaking down to the generation ahead of you you might understand that.

So i know this is a little off topic. There are/is a lot of elements/diversity that we have lost since the rift and pre-rift days. Biggest ones that we have lost that i find detrimental to the overall experience are:

The loss of map diversity. This is the biggest loss in my opinion. First with the introduction of lay lines. Sure the pond well system was clunky, but the designated well system was a bit much. Its fine in comparison to what we have now, especially for aspiring eves to find their homeland. The main issue i see with it is now everything is on lay lines. Wells, iron,  and oil, its all predictable. Exploring and finding rich areas is a thing of the past because everything is generally in the middle. Not scarce and not rich. Just generally even to reduce user error from inexperienced eves. Finding a golden spot used to be the highlight of an eve run. Finding that beautiful place that could last hundreds of generations. Now that doesnt exist and being an eve is basically just, find an ok spot in your family's band and rush iron. Over and over again. There isnt anything special to it. You wont find el dorado and you wont find some baren wasteland for the generations after you to struggle in. That diversity is lost. Its sad. With banding in conjunction with lay lines the map is just way too predictable so finding unique area doesnt exist. I played back when the map was completely random, impossible to read, you could have snow biomes on top of desert biomes and have sulfur pits and tarry spots tiles away from each other. This dynamic made finding a rich spot so much more interesting, and you could find some seriously amazing places on the map to settle. We have lost this.

Second is probably user dynamics. Or simply natural family dynamics. Before families completely relied on each other it was all for yourself when it came to family. People would steal, kill, war, raid, defend, and become refugees for their family. These are uncomfortable things but they are apart of life and were a rich part of the game experience. Experiences that dont exist anymore. They were not purely malicious, people were not doing them just because, for attention, or notoriety. They were doing it to survive, to come out on top, to overcome the strict and unforgiving environment they were presented with. Just like its easier to raid a dead town for resources and bring back what a generation of people could make in five lifetimes, a family could raid another and essentially do the same thing. This brought a rich dynamic to the game. I get its painful but it was powerful. I remember fleeing with my infant daughter as a family raided our town and killed everyone but the two of us. The feeling of resolve and a hunger for revenge was nothing like ive ever felt. A desire to reclaim my homeland someday and return my family to glory. To take back our legacy. We have lost this.

The total loss of player choice. Say for example you want to cook a rare food, dye clothes, grow roses, make rubber masks, make horse carts, or anything that is biome restricted. You simply cant. I mean eventually you could, if you invested lifetime after lifetime /dying so you could spawn as the correct race and hoard the necessary resources in some juxtaposed place where no one could tamper with it. Typically doing stuff like this takes multiple people or at least 3 generations as a solo player. That's hours of expectations put on our community to accomplish simple things that could easily be done in one lifetime. But i guess we cant have nice things. We have lost this.

I could go on but these are probably my biggest issues with the game currently. All things that existed during the rift. And all things that are vital for the total diversity of experiences in this game. The reason i think the rift should come back is because all of our current limitations and parameters basically serve the same purpose as that dreaded black wall we hated so much. Except that we knew what the black wall was, and there still was beauty inside, despite the adversity. Every arc was different and i remember every one distinctly. Something i havent felt since, even with all the new mechanics that were meant to promote just those elements. There is a golden zone of the rift. Its not 700 sum odd tiles, but its something. I do believe that. There is a golden zone where we have enough space and resources for things to get interesting, and i think the inevitable collapse and death of society is a unique aspect to the game. Is an arc killed by lack of resources, or by the people so fed up with the status quo that they destroy society intentionally. Its serious stuff to think about and stuff society deals with and questions all the time. I remember ending most lives thrown in some existential pondering. Either being inspired or pissed about what happened, then reflecting on is and realizing i was only feeling a fraction of what people have felt for thousands of years due to human nature, greed, self interest, desire, power, ambition, hubris, etc. It was always different. We have lost this.