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I think most of the reason making burritos and tacos make clutter is not enough people know what you are doing and there aren't really established patters for how such stations should be laid out.
Mutton pies are much easier and more important, but in a big village I would like to see more foods, and at some point I'll figure out how such a station should be set up. I tried once by making a little room with its own furnace (for the lime) but ran out of time in that life sine no one else understood what I was trying to do and people kept moving my extra bellows and kindling and rocks to the smith even though I'd collected my own extra materials for the purpose.
Perhaps the move is to find a town with a long road to nowhere (but a nowhere with a pond for water) and make a taco outpost town at the end of the road. Only invite those who know the way to join.
Thank you for building it! It turned out to be a wonderful design and I know I'll copy it some time. Never been in such an easy to use an organized bakery.
antking:]# wrote:This is just a small question... would you consider making Tacos and burritos baking? and are they even worth making?
Burritos are a resounding No No NO, as they're one of the rare cases where putting in tons of time to making it results in... less food that you started with. That puts them so low on the Yum totem pole, that it's often worth intervening to stop someone if you see them trying to make it under the (mistaken) assumption that they're helping the village food supply.
But you can't have a stack of pies on one plate and have 6 different people each take one and put them in their pack for later. To do that with pies you'd need 6 plates and they would need to be returned which makes clutter. All of this pip talk ignores factors like portability share-ability and compactness of storage.
arkajalka wrote:I hate when ppl bitch about doing variety foods. Always the same old freaking mutton pie. Its not like bread and mutton is a must. If you are desperate on pies you can slap dem pies up with carrots, rabbits and berries. Let the cooks enjoy their job and full scale of the magic art of making food.
Mutton pie munchers are just a evolved version of berry locusts.
Real men drink milk. Whole milk and nothing else.
LOL. I would love to see a village with only "super efficient" players. No walls, no crowns, no flowers, no colored sweaters, just one cow and buckets of milk in a row with bowls. No farm for the people, just to grow food for the cow. And some folks with carts fetching soil to grow cow food.
The "we only eat the most efficient food" mini-game.
I was in this town too, but before the trees in the shrine got cut down. I hope they were replanted. What an amazing life!
The shrine was lovely. I also remember the north building with the jagged wall, we used it for burritos and I taught a man how to make them in game, (we moved the operation to the field near the bean plants which was a great idea on his part.)
I loved reading this. You should use the img tag so the images show up in the post!

Such a lovely town. I think I came back and saw the pine doors in another life. You are a hero.
That makes sense, Destiny. I also move between jobs. But, what if you aren't really skilled at a task. At the time I was playing I had never built a pen and only gotten sheep once (and almost starved holding that rope) -- So, part of what made me not want to take charge of the task was I thought other people could probably do it better. In this case me trying would have been better than nothing.
I have since learned to build a pen, not an expert at it, but I've done it twice and it worked. Really wish there were more guides or help on how pens work. For example, can you use a goose pond to block off a corner exit diagonal to a gooseberry bush? I didn't know so I block the corner completely to be safe.
It seems like in many towns I've been in the sheep always mysteriously get out of the pen. Is it griefers or bad pen design?
It is seriously biblical. Right down to the being naked part. Can we get an update that lets us build the tower of babel?
I was born in to a town that had this huge wall-less multi-purpose room for nursery and bakery and...??? who knows. My mother told me the town was terrible. She was right, but she was also wrong. She is holding me in this image, next to one of a few murdered bodies that were there when I was born. I never found out what happened. Maybe, that is why she thought the town was so horrible? My older brother tried to make me wear a turkey hat. He was kind of silly. Good guy though. And good mom.

I was trying to understand why the town was "horrible" when I found the smallest little bakery. I thought "this can't possibly work" but the walls kept people from walking through the space so it was a quiet place to work. The small size meant no clutter. It was easy to organize and work in there. I decided to give it a go.
As it turns out this small space was great! The 4 floor tiles were the exact correct number for a bowl of dough. So, easy to line everything up. I even had some other people helping for a bit. We focused on rabbit and other specialty pies. There were tons of food in this town, so variety seemed like a good bet.

The main bakery was just a total mess. Why are there bananas there? So many clothes for the kids. I stayed away. Focused on distributing pies, collecting plates and running the little bakery. I think some people were trying to organize the big bakery and I didn't envy the task they had chosen.

At one point a woman, without saying anything started putting cooked rabbit in the bakery storage bins, she was working with a guy who added another box so I could not lay out 4 plates anymore. Basically spoiling everything. I tried to talk to them tell them that I enjoyed the bakery but she didn't respond. I got so frustrated and angry, I didn't know how to get rid of the box. Then I remembered I could turn it in to a sledge. (what goes around comes around) I took the cooked rabbits in baskets to the horse and rode them out of town. That made me feel much better I had my bakery back and set up for one last round of pies.
I'm certain the woman had some plan for the space, maybe a larder? but there was an oven there and my pie crusts. She took the carrots I was using *out* of the bowls, took the pie crusts away and took the kindling. Clearly, she didn't want me to bake there. Why? She didn't say anything about why. Would not talk to me. So, I felt justified in exiling her cooked rabbits (I tried removing them and setting them where people could eat them a few times, but she just brought them back, hence the exile.)

It can be really upsetting when someone takes apart something that you are building. I had been talking with other people about how much I liked the little bakery, and then it gets dismantled like that. But, setting things right didn't take as long as I thought it would. In no time, I was organized and ready for one last pie baking. A little boy who looked like my older brother came by to help. Maybe he will keep the bakery going.
It wasn't a terrible town, ma. It had some people with bad communication skills, but more people were nice and helpful than obtuse and oppositional. I'm glad I didn't /die even though you seemed to think that would have been better.
If you have the knife you are the bread slicer, sheep killer. So, that is the issue. If you don't wan't to check on sheep to see if they need killed or slice bread give the knife away, unless there are a lot of knives then you can go make paper or whatever.
I do think people underestimate the burrito. It's compact, portable and a bunch fit on a plate. Perfect to set out by the berries and near other work stations to feed the people.
Am I bad for sort of not liking buildings? I like sheds basically 3 walls, no door. I find walking in and out of doors a big chore. Easier to get everyone better clothing IMO.
OMG that sucks that happened to my stew farm tool box once and I was so sad since I grew the rope myself.
I guess the flip side of this is if you find a tool in a box, or in a location that makes sense and it was easy to find put it back there so someone else can have that same nice experience.
Why do you dislike them? I don't know enough about the difference to know what the issues might be. Is it that they can't be moved?
Toddler teleportation is a fun magic trick.
Sheep pen overcrowded? Have the kid pick up some mutton, then pick up the kid. The mutton teleports to the nearest open space. Repeat until all bones are empty.
So that's what happens. neat!
Yeah, this town didn't starve at all. I saw to that. Lot of berries, soup, a few pies. Nah the people just... died for no observable reason.
I think the most you can carry without a cart is you have a on a backpack, baby has one and you both have on aprons. That's 10 slots and a baby all at once.
To get a backpack off a baby just put on a decayed backpack and switch, also works to remove the knife
Put a backpack on a baby and you can use it like a basket, kind of.
OMG so much violence.
I'm generally the one who does the hauling. Which is why I also feed sheep.
It's also not just making what we do harder, it makes certain things not viable at all and they will never be done. Pine walls are an example, 5 rope per wall is absolutely insane, and pine doors are only ever thought about because they can't lock. Even a 2x2 room would take 60 rope which would be a staggering 240-480 bowls of soil, 240 water and about 5 steel hoe. For a 2x2 room... Yeah i'd rather use 24 adobe and call it a day, Granted 4 long shafts per pine wall is also not very good, but definitely think rope is holding that back.
And that's why we almost never see pine used for walls, that and the fact it can be greifed instantly with an ax if I'm reading the wiki correctly.
I have never been baking and had "enough mutton" It's the first filling to go because it's easy to put in. I don't even bother to put the mutton in the pies, I just make dough and check there are enough plates in there and the pies just appear.
That's so cool. I think I would have enjoyed being one of your kids. It's neat when your parent has somthing in mind for you that isn't just run of the mill "do whatever pick berries be a farmer"
futurebird wrote:How do you have kids in there? Isn't everyone who shows up infertile?
It doesn't appear anyone answered your question. Tarr flew there, i believe broke out of tutorial area and made a landing strip, used mapping to know the direction, then in another life got a plane going in another town. From there, all the kids born are normal. It is part of the game world, just way, way out there.
Wow that's incredibly cool. I would love to be born there some time. I don't know if I will every make it to helping to build a plane. I did learn how kerosene worked the other day, though.
I think she gets that it's a game, I think the points about keeping the pen more tidy make sense and it helps me to understand why some people just keep all the sheep sheared even though I'd rather have the chance to feed the little lambs. And that's fine there will be a compromise.
Also please put the shovel back by the sheep, don't just leave it by the new compost pile which could be ... anywhere. And for the love of god if you use a shovel for any other task return it to the pen quickly. Nothing is quite like making a new shovel only to find the old one out by some elaborate grave site with a stone and flowers. (cute I like it, but bring the shovel back please. )
Shovel
by sheep pen, near entrance, bonus if in a box with other sheep gear
Clippers, drop spindle, knitting needles
Near sheep in basket or box
Ball of thread and needle
Three with the first aid kit, one near sheep, one or two where the trapper drops of rabbits, AND one by the milkweed garden to keep people from using it for thread
Hoe
Near carrots and soup garden, if you need the hoe for a *seckret* milkweed garden return it quickly ideally there should be 3 hoes
Ax
This one can get complex. An old stone hatchet can serve for the soup garden- when that breaks an Ax should be in the garden and by the best cart (if you have one with tires) in the cart or by the wood pile. Ideally someone is doing kindle delivery for the smith, bakery and other cooking operations. If not the smith and bakery should share an ax, and one should float.
Woodworking tools
When not in use they should be together, ideally in a box, near the butt log pile.
Carts
When you are done with a cart say so, since they are in demand and very powerful. There should be a parking spot for the cart near the nursery for wood delivery.
Fire starting tools
I've noticed that griefers target these items, the fire bow drill, and firebrands should have a prime location, visible, possibly with a little wood floor to make them stand out.
Smithing hammer, File, Round stone
I don't know the best place for these, in the smithy obviously, but some like to have a basket others not so much. Don't know what is best. Some smiths use the round stone when possible to save the smith hammer.
Bakery Stones
The baker needs a triangle stone and a round stone, these should be in a basket in the corner.
Soup Stones
The stew farm needs a sharp stone and a round stone, these should be in a basket.
Smith Stones
In addition to the possible round stone 3 flat stones should never be touched.
Cooking Stones
A pair of flat stones, a straight shaft, a sharp stone and a collection of 4-6 bowls is the sign of a taco maker or burrito chef.
Others?
I don't know if making the nursery fire the central fire is ideal, but it is what normally happens.