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24 extra cans of crude oil.

Also, you can fire the newcommen first if you want, to get a few extra crude, but at the risk of draining the tarry spot. [edit] I was wrong here, once you make a pump jack you can't convert it back

Diesel gives 24 guaranteed crude.

I feel like maybe a rails/sprinkler system *could* work but I'm not sure.

I'm imagining a long horizontal sprinkler system with produce on each side, and a rail loop above and below going to a food storage area at one end.

Would need a way for the carts to stop one-by-one for unloading at the food storage area, or something.

I am constantly saying 'X' to my mum when they pick me up too early. Hasn't seemed to catch on yet, it's too hard to communicate to new players. Maybe I should tell my kids in the future, and try and spread it that way, the same way F is.

It's also a (somewhat) valid way to yum-boost. It's better to yum-boost with hungry work, but the mechanic allows for it so it's valid. I don't like it, as people also use it to starve themselves, so it feels very alien to the gameworld.

Will it be possible to build diagonal roads with the machine?

Also, will the machine go through biomes for you (and is there a chance it gets stuck in the biome)?

This is one of the main subplots to the TV series M*A*S*H - maybe was part of Catch 22 as well? Can't remember.

I wrote this somewhere else, but I would love some other food that let's a sheep regrow its wool.

Even better if that is grass that has to be grazed (so you have to herd the sheep around a pasture). So 0-water wool, that requires time and effort instead.

Could do something like regrow wool by feeding straw instead, I think that might be balanced.

It's a necessity if you don't have enough iron for multiple engines. Shift the engine around until you have enough iron to make extras.

Agreed!!

The core issue here is a break in the implicit contract between a game's world and it's players: consistency.

There are two kinds of consistency implied in a game world, and it's ok to break them at different times.
- 'physics' acts the same now as it always has
- 'physics' acts the same on all objects

The first gets broken every time there is an update to game mechanics, and that's perfectly ok, but it takes a while before everyone realises that the world is different to what it was before. It takes time for the meta to change, and it seems like many players have no idea what changes have come into the game recently, except through some kind of social osmosis.

The second is a bigger issue. It's *weird* that diesel engines can just be removed and destroyed when, for example, wells and waystones can't. It's weird when some things can stack and others can't (thank you for fixing this!!), weird that some things can be disassembled and others can't.

Now for many reasons it's fine for these inconsistencies, especially for game balance reasons, but this one feels really incongruous.

I do look forward to the meta including an engine guard, though as others have mentioned it's hard to guard against your own family.

I don't think anyone is asking for a restriction to be reimposed, though I can't speak for everyone.

This is a good idea, it just feels unbalanced in the game's world, in particular unbalanced in a way that makes griefing really easy. When waystones were being used to grief wells you introduced a change to balance the game more, and that's all that's being asked here.

Thanks! We still lose some rubber, but not so bad in the grand scheme.

At -285 -54 I finished the road to the iron mine, and started on a cut stone hut for it.

It is 5x5 floored, and 4-5 walls built.

Was planning full cut stone so that it will eventually be ancient and lockable etc.

I agree with what you've said, and there needs to be better organisation to promote better play (and to shift the meta away from berries).

The thing is, there is one main resource in this game, and it is your life.

As long as there are productive things to be done, successful towns will be the ones that are able to spend the most time on those productive tasks (sans RNG factors if there are any).

Organisation is productive because it promotes better/more efficient game play.

Road building is productive because it allows more efficient resource gathering and exploration.

Mining is productive because iron.

etc

The discussions on water-efficient foods is a good one, because water can be such a bottleneck. Other things have a large impact on water consumption too, though. For example, wearing clothes is super water-efficient. If someone can make a lot of food very quickly but slightly water-inefficiently, and then makes a lot of clothes, their water-score should end up positive.

The problem I have is I haven't seen any good way of calculating this 'water score' except for specific foods, and to be fair it's probably impossible to quantify the value (in water) of building a sheep pen.

My main point is that we should consider pips per water per (amortised, production) minute, in addition to just pips per water.

As an extreme example, if there was food that gave 1000 pips for 1 water (wow, amazing!) but took 20 minutes of actual work to produce than the pip/water/minute value would only be 50 (still good I guess?). Now if it was possible to produce 20 of this food at the same time, taking on average 1 minute per food (though still 20 minutes game time) the pip/water/minute value would be 1000.

Yes we need to be water-efficient, but work-time-efficient is also very important. I mean, that's the whole basis of the industrial revolution.

To chuck onto the pile here:

Instead of (just?) being hungry work, you could take YUM into account. Either some YUM chain level, or some bonus food level (you have to be full in order to mine).

If there was RNG, having a higher YUM would mean higher chance of successfully mining. Hard to know what the balance should be, but perhaps having a 20x YUM chain would double percentages?

In calculations we really don't include people's time enough.

If you can quickly (at the cost of some extra water) get a lot of food that has enormous value as 'available food' is the one thing that allows your entire family to work on productive tasks.

If someone is able to get 9 buckets of milk in ~5min that frees them for extra work and it frees their entire family.

How do we go about quantifying this though?

What is the expected water production per minute of different tasks?

We have calculated units of water required (so negative production) per food pip, and you could similarly get to pips created per minute (based on time required to grow the crop). The one that is hard is water generating tasks, such as creating coal to fire the newcommen. Especially if you are biome locked, the main time cost in getting more water is travel - travelling to ponds, or exploring for an expert.

In any case, I think the calculus will more often than not come out on the side of creating more food quickly, so that you and your family can spend more time generating water.