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I have an idea.

Build a church with stone walls. On one wall make a 1x1 walled off space and trap a pit-bull in there. Eventually it will become a mean pit-bull. Everyone worship the mean pit-bull. They have no usefulness in game and are basically just delayed murder tools. Put a feast table in the church. Guilt people into making donations! Maintain a little graveyard for the faithful. Each life return to the church (if you can) and give a sermon to the people.

Someone else could do the same and make the church of the bear. Each church could have crusades or Jihads against each other. Instead of griefing regular players, the griefers could just pick a church and every life can be in that church (because it's completely voluntary). They could grief each other and all in the name of making their church stronger and thus "winning". Griefers I'd think would have more fun because they have more challenge against a target that is actively fighting back and their actions have more purpose. They could grief without having to suppress feeling of guilt. IDK, maybe most griefers like a target that doesn't know they are in a fight because they don't like to be challenged.

I think if we are going to have so many griefers, they might as well organize and fight each other more. It's good for everyone because the more they hit people that don't want to be picked on, the more likely Jason will restrict what they can do. If griefers fight griefers they keep all their griefing tools and freedom of actions, and regular builders can do their thing in peace more often. Seem like a win-win.

BOOM! New Year's Eve necro (I couldn't resist). But seriously, plenty of things have been added in the last year. Any items that are worse than these already listed?

Some would say this item is almost useless: https://bit.ly/2QcIrOr

LOL

The flaw there is, the more OHOL becomes like Minecraft, the less reason I can think of for anyone to ever play OHOL. I mean, I could make a unique little cardboard car, and maybe someone might want to buy it because it's different or original, or they just like it better for some reason. But if I make it look identical to a Prius, then why wouldn't someone just buy a real Prius? Especially if I was charging the same price?

Jason's only competitive advantage is being something different.

Now on the flip side. An online server running straight vanilla Minecraft is 100% griefable. In fact it would be absolutely out of control griefing. Everytime you encountered another player they likely would kill you and everytime you logged out you'd return to find whatever you had built covered with a sea of lava. Exploring would be deadly because every kind of trap imaginable would be everywhere, and all that would only last until someone just broke the server with a lag making redstone device. Minecraft is only "ungriefable" because every server is highly modded to not allow any griefing. One could argue that the more Jason allows griefers to operate, the more he's actually just running 2D vanilla Minecraft.

NOBODY likes vanilla minecraft. At least not in multiplayer version. Maybe Jason needs to consider that. Don't be Minecraft, but then at the same time, maybe the main server shouldn't be straight vanilla OHOL either. Vanilla OHOL seems to work fine on low pop servers with a nearly solo experience. With 75 or so people together maybe that isn't so good anymore?

I mean, I've though this over some myself, but even if we had good ideas oh how to do it, I can't think of any that Jason would go for. I've read pretty much everything he's written, and I could be wrong, but I feel I have a firm grasp on how he thinks in regards to OHOL.

Maybe that's why I get frustrated with some suggestions (I just mean in general) because it seems obvious to me that it won't ever get the designer approval, so there's no point in even barking up that tree so to speak. Even if I think it's a fine idea, it's moot if Jason won't ever go for it.

And trust me, if he did introduce coins, they would be mainly for RP and you wouldn't really be able to use them to make any sort of economy with. More likely he would introduce coins because he realized a way to do so that would allow griefers to use them not as intended, but for griefing purposes. Most players will end up regretting that he made them. That's my prediction.

If you are just following it, functionally how is that any different?

For the actually road builder doing the work it makes a big difference for a few reasons. One, I already mentioned, is that a partially complete road will get others to help complete it. Just laying a rock every 5 spaces won't get anyone to help do anything. But the other problem is someone who decides he want's to make a road a different direction just might come along and gather up all your stones to make a road going somewhere else. They aren't as likely to pickaxe up all your set stones though.

I personally don't want to spend a few lives lying out rocks so someone else can have a nice row to scoop up and take to work on another project (which is significantly more likely to never be completed than one of my roads).

It's OK, I gave up on you when you seriously suggested that Jason, INSTEAD OF JUST REMOVING RACE DIFFERENCES, should take time to write more code to make race differences obsolete, basically backtracking something he has been quite clear about wanting to introduce, rather than, IDK, about 1000 other things he could be doing, such as actually adding more content. Almost as big of a waste of time as Legs dying on the "Pine Doors Need Locks" hill.

I'll let you in on a little something. I might think I know everything, but unlike you, I'm not a hypocrite. So I have that at least.

But I'll answer the question. I don't make the videos myself because it simply isn't worth it. Hardly anyone plays this game and it could end tomorrow if Jason decides he's finally bored with it. I'm not even playing anymore at this point, and if Jason doesn't fix up some of the major problems this game has, and instead does fuckall such as, IDK, make it so people are randomly born as a human, or an INFERIOR AND WEAKER human, thus exacerbating the problem with people using /DIE or suicideing then I won't be playing in the future either. I also can't just make quality videos from my iphone when I have spare time out and about town, whereas explaining basic things on a forum I can do from virtually anywhere.

I could make a quality video if I wanted to. I have worked to produce quality videos with professional YouTubers that have generated over a million views. A good quality video is going to, as I said, get likes and follows, and shares. Crap will get skipped in less than 15 seconds. If Fryinggpan wants to make a video that's 3 minutes long but people only watch 15 seconds of it, then by all means he can go right ahead. They could be so bad that LESS people want to buy the game after watching the video maybe. Would that make you happy? Hummmm? Would that be better for OHOL?

As to assuming they will be bad. I'm not assuming they will be bad. But have you ever looked up a video game tutorial for any game on YouTube? It sounds like maybe you have not. If you do look up such videos you'll find that 95% or more fail to do any of the things I suggested, and if you could see the analytics you'd see they are getting almost no engagement. Then look up a video that has 100's of thousands of likes and followers and you'll see they hit every single one of my points. If you think any of these things is "just being picky" then maybe you've just made mediocrity a lifestyle.

PLEASE

Write yourself a script on paper, and follow your script as you make your video. Then, if you really want it to be good quality, REDO the audio afterwards when just watching the video playback. If at anypoint something gets messed up, you can pause, back up, and do a second take.

Better yet, don't even do audio on the video take. Prepare everything how you want it to be and have a checklist, and then just do the thing. Later you add the audio as you watch yourself play, but talk as if you are actually doing it life, not watching yourself. Nobody will know that's how you did it, and you'll look super sharp. Often if people try to teach and do at the same time they get distracted and things end up being confused.

I HATE videos where it's super amateur and sloppy. The person giving a lesson goes off on some tangent because they have no script and can't focus. They forget important things also because no script or checklist. They sound like crap because they always say, "Ummmmmm" or cough a lot, or whatever. Their mom or wife yells at them, or they get a phone call right in the middle and just don't edit that shit out. Any distracting background chaos needs to be avoided or edited out. Doing the video first and then doing the audio later can help avoid all that stuff.

Also, please get right to the point. So many people that make these kinds of videos feel a need to add 5 minutes of their life story and other blah blah blah before they even get on topic. Don't do that. Nobody cares about background fluff or why you made the video, or any of that.

Intro should be no more than: "Hello, this is Fryinggpan, and in this video I'll be showing you how to do [whatever] in one hour one life. So lets get to it!" AND THAT'S ALL! After that get right onto the lesson. Be clear and concise. At the end ask people to like and follow. Done. That's a professional format, and it what gets shared and likes and follows.

Basically, don't be an amateur hour production.

ALSO

Back in the day when I'd try to find a good Minecraft tutorial I'd have to dig through soooooo many made by a child that I swear just stopped breastfeeding from their mum the week before. If you sound like you are a 5 year old toddler please, just don't make a video. It will be rubbish in so many ways. Sorry.

First of all, I really don't want to be assigned a "job" every life that I have to do. If your little system can be used to track curses so if you get enough I can see you are "marked" from life to life, them I'm all for it.

If you want to assign people orders to grief in addition to all the regular griefing in hopes that some code can tell the difference between helpful actions and non helpful  actions and properly assign or take away "karma" points, then you have lost your damn mind, and I'll invite you to GTFO and go play whatever game you find more fun than OHOL.

Who am I to argue?

OK, I concede the issue on the lag then, I trust you that it's insignificant.

I started before the race update, and I honestly think it's a good addition to gameplay.

HOWEVER

I do see how a race not being present in a town causes towns to fail. At the same time I see large towns that manage to last for days. They manage to get the diverse races they need. What usually causes any town that is large and has a bell to attract people to end up failing? Usually coordinated murder griefing of a target race. So one thing races did do that is bad is make a more enjoyable goal for a murder griefer to go after. Just randomly killing someone isn't much fun, but eliminating all the needed gingers from a town is a much more valuable accomplishment. So different races is just one of the things I've been talking about that make the griefer's experience more fun.

So we could go in a round-about way of essentially eliminating races, which I still think is silly and will be confusing for newer players. Just think of the game guides: "Depending on where the game is along an arc, either there will be races with different attributes, or not!". Everyone will rage anytime the arc is reset, because we all will be single race again, which likely will mean someone will want to bring the apocalypse only more often.

Or Jason can address some of the issues and tweak the race differences. Now first of all, the more you say races make it hard to keep a city running, the more I think that's exactly what he wants to hear. He wants it to be hard to keep a big town going. One of the hardest things about it is not having enough people to run it. I personally like it when there is only one major bell town, maybe a couple smaller satellite towns, and the a scattering of small settlements. It seems without the race restriction limitation there could be 15 different hamlets all running for days easily because they all could have no problem getting what they needed and nobody would have reason to head to a bigger town. I don't like that. I think there should be reason for people to head into the big town, and the small little villages should run their course and have to migrate, or do the hard work to get all races to visit at least long enough to set up some of the things the town needs.

The problem also is the murder griefing. At low pop times, even the biggest city is vulnerable, and once you loose all races, it's even harder to start it back up again. So I still think Jason needs to address the fact that Curses do nothing. I know the people that are the sneaky griefers still will do their thing and not get noticed or cursed, but stabbing someone in the middle of town does get noticed, as often does baby kidnapping. The worst of the murder griefers will get tagged and should see some kind of level of being booted off that server at least.

Then I think Jason should make adjustments to what races can do that would accomplish two things. 1) Allow races to do things that a town requires, but in such a way that they can help a town survive even if their race isn't present for a while. I had suggested in another thread things like the ability to build out resource sites so others could gather for a period of time once the site is developed by the appropriate race. I was also thinking that maybe snake boots should allow anyone to walk in desert like the blacks can. Perhaps snowboots can be made for snow biome, and a jungle boot for jungle naturally. 2) the other thing is make races do things that are fun. Right now, he only made it so races CAN'T do things. He only took away what people could already do. I can see how that's annoying. But It would be worth it more if the penalties could be reduced like I suggest in part 1 but also each race gets some kind of improvement on things everyone can do. Maybe gingers are better farmers, blacks better at mining, etc. In this way, it shouldn't be nearly as hard for a single race town to survive, but a diverse town will survive much easier.

Another problem honestly is I think we are still spreading out too fast. Doing more to discourage murder griefers (again) from killing off an entire family line by taking out the last couple females would slow down Eve spawns a little. Maybe balance how babies are being born so we don't see one family with half the server population while another dies out because they get almost zero offspring. Finally I think maybe the zig-zag of the Eve spawn should go a bit more North and then South each time before it jumps over more West. The further out people keep spawning, the harder it is to get the races you need. Especially if 100% of that race is on the wild west because some guy killed all the ones in the East. This is part of the problem too. If this gets addressed, not having needed races in town won't be a problem nearly as often.

Anyway, we have shown that we can build up towns and keep them going for quite a while, even with the race restrictions as we have now. The only two things that keep them from lasting at least twice as long is overspreading out of the population and unchecked murder griefing, which if that could be curtailed, and if elimination of one race from a town wasn't practically an instant death sentence for that town, then we would be doing just fine with the races.

So in a nutshell, I'd rather see Jason do something to FIX why races are such a problem and aren't working out to make the game better, instead of just scrapping them or nerfing them in such as way that he may as well remove them.

If he was to add any more race stuff, I'd prefer to see lakes/seas added, and introduce an "Asian" race that had advantages with boats and any sea related stuff (and still reduce the hard and continuous dependence a town has for certain races).

WTF are you talking about? So If I'm born mixed race, then I have the abilities of every race that's in my village, right? So if all 4 races are in a village then I guess every baby is 25% of each and has all abilities. I'm assuming then that all babies going forward will be the same every race baby. Thus basically that town has eliminated the race differences. Before long these "every race" babies will travel around and have babies. Geez, how many generations until every person is a 4 way mixed race? So we have the code for each race, and then more code to make every player every race, i.e. the same as their just being no races.

Or are y'all suggesting that randomly sometimes these "all race" people would produce a single race or even only dual race baby that loses most/many of the benefits their parent has? So every time I'm born there is a chance I'll be a "super human" or a limited one with as much as 75% less advantages. Even if you limit the max to 2 races in the mix, you are still basically asking for two kinds of humans. Either you get born as a regular human, or a dual-race super-human.

Yes that sounds very brilliant. I was just saying how nobody ever uses the /DIE command. That should give a very noticeable bump to the baby suicide rate. Then again, all the parents who leave their single race babies to die because they aren't super babies might just balance that out. I look forward to all the times I'll be left to starve until I'm finally born an acceptable multi-racial baby. Or is everyone ALWAYS born a multi race? What about Eve's? If realism is such a concern, tell me what would a black-ginger look like vs a black-blondie?

How can you say, "Not everything is intentional" and apply it to this? Are you suggesting the different races are some kind of bug and Jason added them by accident? When he drew the art for each skin tone he was trying to draw something else, like an ironing board, or a turnip? When he wrote a forum post describing how he is intentionally added this to the game, that was just 1000 monkeys randomly typing on keyboards, but instead of writing Shakespeare, they wrote a coherent post about a OHOL update? Amazing!

How would it not involve more coding? Would Jason just ask the program nicely to do this on it's own accord? Even if it has negligible effect on lag, it's still more code to run. More places a bug could hide. Lag at server end or player end is still lag, and I've played many times where the game became literally unplayable because as much as a 15-20 delay. So, I don't know where that's falling or what triggers it, but until Jason does get that sorted out, I don't think adding more code, of any length, that has the sole purpose of making other code mean nothing is the best thing.

You want more realistic? Explain to me why it takes about 5 years to make one piece of paper.

Or better yet, we have a game where no sex is required, and no males even need to be present for a female to pop out a baby at any time between the ages of 14 to 40, and the part of that you're hung up on is that all these "virgin births" only produce the same race as the mother? That's the least absurd part of it.

Because the amount of stones and length of road needed to directly connect all towns to each other requires more and more beyond three towns, if the towns are not all in a nice line that is. Say you have 4 towns in roughly a square layout; It would take up to 6 roads, (2 diagonal, 2 vertical, and 2 horizontal) to directly connect them all. Yes this would be the fastest and most direct option. But the main server has never yet seen than amount of people interested in building roads to pull off this design.

However with one long road up the middle, and then 4 shorter branches off that "main" road, that's the equivalent of 3 roads, not 6. Half as many stones required. Yes, sometimes it would take longer to get from some of those towns to others, but again, amount of resources and labor is whats the limiting factor.

I also think that with shorter roads leading to a main road, its faster and easier for a player to figure out where they are. If they are on a side road they are going to quickly run into the main long road or a town. With long ass roads directly connecting each town, a player may have to run up to twice the distance before they figure out where they are exactly, which can actually happen if nobody is keeping up with ringing a town bell on a regular basis.