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Yes.  This happens to me all the time.

I think a lot of times people don't entirely know what tools they need, or how to look for them.  Especially the casual players.  So I view my role as getting things started, and have come to expect that I'll be moving on to anther job as soon as I have the tools laid out.

The only job this doesn't seem to be true for is composting.  I do much better at recruiting composters if I am wearing a crown and ask, "Who wants to be the royal dung slinger?" or something clever and charming like that.

We are talking about Cletown, right?  Cletown had ten mangoes and it was ABSOLUTELY an infestation.  Ten mango trees can produce five mangos every time they are watered.  Fifty + mangoes can be produced in twenty minutes or so.  Times a few dozen cycles with no one bothering to put them on plates.  There were literally hundreds of mangos stacked in baskets in the bakery at one point.  Then someone decided to mass serve them.  So we had fifty or so plates of mango slices littering the bakery and beyond.

Why do you think Cletown's farm looked so deserted? Why would anyone bother to make complex food when there's no space available and they can just slice more mangoes? Why were there no carrots or healthy bushes or wheat growing? Why was the massive water storage system drained to nothing? The mangoes. 

Mangoes are a HUGE water and soil drain.  Ferna's excellent thread on food sustainability shows they are worse than berry munching.  WORSE THAN BERRIES!!!

This is what set me off.  I chopped down five of the ten mango trees in Cletown.  Sounds like I managed to convince some others to follow my example. Like I said originally, firewood access is only a nice by product.

More mangos were masking Cletown's central problems.  Sounds like you were oblivious to how much the town is struggling when they had that pretty grove sitting there.  Continuing to waste water and soil on them in the middle of the ongoing crises for food in that town would have been even worse than whatever conditions you faced the second time through.

Ok, this I agree with. 

Step 1)  To happen ASAP, make all meats stackable.
Step 2)  To happen as content deliverage allows, make some new storage technology and make meats decay

BTW, there's a post on the subreddit for OHOL suggestions that asks Jason to make at least one new thing stackable every week.  He seems to have taken this to heart, so I think your wish for stackable meats is likely to come true shortly.

Sorry Tarr,

I love this idea!  Good suggestion, and good job thinking about how it would impact game balance.  There are so many crazy ideas posted on the forums without thinking through how they would impact the game.

Also, I will stop chopping down mango trees at every opportunity the day that Jason makes plates of mango slices stackable.  AKA never.

Thank you Ferna! for pushing me over the edge into the depths of my hatred for mangos.  I very much enjoyed chopping down five out of the ten mango trees growing in "Cletown" today.

They are worse than berries!  And have no redeeming qualities for feeding sheep!

But worse than that... With ten trees producing five mangos a cycle, they can easily clutter up all available cooking space in even our largest cities. 

What really put me over the edge into my mango-hating obsession, was seeing the Cletown bakery filled to the brim with plates of sliced mango, while no one bothered with carrots and wheat for a while. Sliced mango is a super inconvenient food, that can't be stored in a backpack or a basket, and takes up both plate and preparation space that would be better used for mutton pies (for example).

That may be the only aspect missing from your analysis - a convenience factor, which I see as a combination of storage compactness and the ease of transportation.  It might also be interesting to calculate the minimum dedicated tilespace necessary for preparing each of these foods.  Bananas?  zero tiles required.  Rabbit Pie?  fifteen tiles by my count.

Good work Oblong!  I followed it from North town all the way down to Many Eves (or Cletown as the sign says), and back again during one life.  I also rescued two abandoned horsecarts in that life.  Great fun!

Ok, so there's a reason I didn't just blast Uncle T with, "Are you kiddding? We don't need no skinned rabbit!"

One, I was still a kid, so length of statements was severely limited.
Second, As I said... i LIKE the idea of getting trade routes going.  I want to encourage this kind of thinking and wasn't inclined to immediately shut it down.
Third is context...

Most people haven't played the game that much.  If you haven't played a ton, or just haven't become a forum nerd who reads the labor intensity calculation threads that have popped up from time to time, the relative value of skinned rabbits and steel ingots is not clear.

But here's my take:  There really aren't any number of skinned rabbits worth a single steel ingot. Skinned rabbits build up as excess waste around the edges of eve camps, much less developed towns.  Rabbit furs are far more valuable for clothing.   On the other hand, iron is rare and non-renewable.  It spawns in dangerous places, and is labor intensive just to get it to your camp.  But then you process it through several steps to get to the point of having a steel ingot.  Steel is precious, skinned rabbits are litter.  The baskets were worth more than the rabbits.  Easily.

You took eight steel out of the twenty-four we had  (Honestly, I ran away because I didn't want to watch how many pieces you took...).  If I'd felt like I could bargain with you (again, I was young and vocabulary limited at the time...) I would have asked for your horsecart in exchange for four steel ingots.  There's a ton of complex labor that goes into a horsecart, but there's also a ton in making pieces of steel.

But the other context is not only did we have twenty four (!!!) steel ingots in a town with plenty of duplicate tools, we had twenty to thirty plus pieces of iron waiting around to be processed.  We had so much I couldn't imagine using it up in a lifetime, unless Tarr arrived and started building the oil processing system and a car/plane.  (I tried to make some progress on oil drilling and only succeeded in wasting charcoal and water, as I fumbled around with the Newcommen machine.)

About the villages still existing...To my knowledge, the Love village is dead. The family line died out several hours ago.  I'm not sure what family Uncle T was in -- Was it Omega?

I actually did specialty yum cooking just the other day, to give the famliy a boost to survive the late night fertility drop. We had plenty of mutton pies and stew, and a stable water supply, but I knew the family would benefit from some more yum chain foods being stocked in the nursery.  I made three different pies, omelettes, roasted rabbit, goose, and mutton, made popcorn, and harvested two bowls of green beans.  I loaded several baskets around town with two different pies and a roasted meat, so the ladies would always have a variety of foods available.  Got a lot of compliments and thanks, and had an easy time recruiting a young lad to follow in my footsteps.  In spite of a murder spree, we went from two fertile and one girl child to four fertile and four girl children by the time  my character died.   If you played in the Drea family yesterday (Tuesday), it was because August Drea was yum cooking Monday night. 

And I can confirm everything futurebird said in the first post.  I don't generally focus on making yum food, but whenever i get above eight or so, it makes a HUGE difference in the ease of getting work done.  I think those of you who harp on food efficiency are losing sight of the fact that food efficiency is completely unimportant once a town has a base stock of high "calorie" foods and a couple horsecarts.

This is a known bug, which I reported through github weeks ago.  There's some sort of timeout causing a few lives to not have a recorded ancestor, and then all descendants from that point have an unknown generation.  Jason's a bit stumped, so if people can take a look, that'd be great!

https://github.com/jasonrohrer/OneLife/issues/223

Thanks for your work on this, these stats are really fun! 

For the number of male and female lives, they obviously add up to the much larger "number of births" rather than the "number of deaths"  I think it would be more interesting to see the ratio of male to female lives after the pre-toddler and early-eve deaths are removed. 

Also, I hope you are prepared to start running these stats about once a month.     I can't wait to see how frag, grim, aurora, destiny and I compare head to head when we know these stats are being recorded.

I do a lot of the same things other people have talked about.  I give my kids unique and interesting names, I spend my teens getting the nursery and/or town up to my standards.  I order my kids to work on berries or something easy for their first few minutes of freedom.  I adopt my grandkids, especially if one of my daughters wants to smith or catch rabbits or hunt bears.

I try to set something up for me to work on if I am on babysitting duty.  Like, a stack of rabbits to make into clothes, or kindling to chop or something.  I also like taking kids on tours - but keeping it quick and to the basics.  Sometimes it helps to tell your kids what you did before they were born, so they get a sense of where the town is, and how you helped it.

If I don't stay in the nursery, I always name my kids first, and explain to them what work I'll be doing - if there's a bear that needs to be killed, or a farm that needs tending, or compost that needs to be made.  And I make sure to say hi to them after they make it to the berry patch.

I also give my kids ideas for projects. I don't assign jobs... just make suggestions.  I'll tell them what I think is the next missing step and why its important.  And why I haven't been able to do it myself.

If I have a new player as a child, I'll teach them something interesting like tending sheep or making compost, rather than the rote berry tending.

I also shut down anyone talking up the "there are too many babies" myth. For one thing people die off naturally.  For another, if more people are working more people can be fed.  I tell complainers to shut up and start working.  I stand up for my kids, chase after them if they are kidnapped, make sure they get clothing (when the adults are clothed).  These things matter. 

I also clean up the friggin' nursery.  People underestimate the impact of being born into a bone pile.  I'm convinced the cleanliness of your nursery impacts the likelihood of keeping a baby through toddlerhood.   

But there's no one thing I do every time.  I just have a bunch of strategies that I choose from based on the situation. I adapt based on the town and what everyone else is doing.

I think the biggest single idea is what Frag alluded to in the original post... Caring about other player's experiences.  I'm here to have fun, and part of that is helping other people have fun, too.