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The consequence is that if you are wearing clothing and spend time in the jungle, your temperature will eventually reach max hot - even though the target temperature for jungle is only as hot as the other biomes are cold. Clothing does not protect you from hot climates, it only protects you from short-run heat shock if you temporarily walk into or across the hot biomes.
Note, though, that as I mentioned immediately above, that same clothing harms you when you cross from the jungle or desert back into the other biomes. While you are in the jungle or desert, your clothing pushed you further away from the center because clothing adds heat. That means when you return to the other biome, your heat jumps back to the cold side, but stays that further distance away from the center (because Jason doesn't want you to ever move closer to the center when you cross biomes). But then your clothing KEEPS you further from the center and STOPS you from getting warmer, because clothing slows down temperature changes.
Jason: Clothing should probably not add heat. It probably should move your temperature closer to the center, so that it warms you in cold biomes and cools you in hot biomes.
pretty much this. the update didn't make the jungle as bad as grass/savanna, it made it into a death trap. clothes are way worse now than they used to be for the hot.
I made a suggestion on reddit since apparently there is the preferred location. Please upvote if you agree.
What about having a beta server where updates are released on Thursday/Friday then published to the public on Monday. This way we can test everything and report bugs without breaking the main game.
That would be way too respectful and reasonable, geez, how naive are you? The official reply to this is that we are hostages for the Creator to play with. The dev says you are unreasonable if you think anything you make in this game is supposed to last, or make any sense the next day. Just follow the Vision, it was entrusted to Him by angels in a dream.
in warm biomes, clothes protect you for the first five secs but make everything worse after. so take them off unless you are leaving the biome straight away.
yes, people who will now actually be challenged to get better instead of standing around being useless.
When i started playing before deserts learning to survive was brutal and amazing and rewarding.
IIRC twisted said deserts were added on week two of the game... so you are just being preposterous even for saying that. The game was super difficult and incomplete, it became better, more manageable, so that experienced players can actually build some things and learn something new, lets instead roll it back a year or so.
We're past eve hell now, noobs shoulddn't even be in such harsh conditions anymore.
hue, all towns are starving and collapsing, what do you mean past eve hell? you spawn in a city and find mostly bones, gray bushes and not much else
thanks for the post! has anyone tested rooms in hot biomes yet?
Peremptive wrote:You are supposed to die for no reason, according to the dev. You aren't supposed to survive and so there shouldn't be any biome that is hospitable. Just die because the bushes are empty already.
Isn't this an amazing rewarding gaming experience.
have you considered the possibility that you're just not good at surviving? This is a survival game, you know
I don't know how many times I have to respond to this type of reply that I can survive and make it to 60 no problem, after the first game I played with the update at least. I am talking about the people who make up the graveyard twice the size of every "town" on the server who don't.
I'm sorry, I interpreted Jason's statement that "Clothing was also a pain before, because it would make you too hot in the desert or Jungle. So people just did without." to mean that clothes overheating you would be fixed. I was very naive.
This is how we used to do it before you could just set them on the edge of the biome and only have to feed like 3 times total.
I'm glad it's back.
We do need to remember to use this position for sharing important knowledge. I was just saying this in my iron thread, that these are the woman to maintain the knowledge of iron expeditions (and where it is picked out)
Yeah, except it is rare that babies get to perfect temp. Women get 5 kids dumped on them, have to race to find food in a dying gray berries, starving, freezing village between feeding. The kids that were closer to the open doors die by the time she is back. Then in a few minutes, a griefer takes her spot. People see a woman in the nursery around kids, they need to drop what they were bringing to the village to quickly run to that wild bush 6 pips away to not die, so they don't question what is going on and if she is really helping or just killing the kids by pretending to feed.
there is a discussion ohol subreddit, why is there another one for suggesetions? There already aren't that many people on reddit
This update would maybe almost work if clothes were actually helpful in keeping good temp, but they only help you keep biome temp. So clothes are completely useless towards keeping an efficient, good temp, only protect against the newly added temp shock, and only going in. So clothes do nothing about the cold - you are almost at zero temp in grasslands, there is little change in snow and you don't really have to stay there long, plus everyone knows to be afraid of snow. Clothes only protect towards the heat a bit, and when you leave the heat you should take them off or they might kill you.
How is that a reasonable way to make clothes matter? How is this keeping with any game abstraction from reality, that we have no internal temperature?
Griefer killed all babies by becoming milkmaid... so many new avenues for griefing since this update
so in your opinion it's better if temperature is a weird meta puzzle instead of, you know, making and wearing clothes?
Please explain how clothes help with anything other than temp shock, and that for a few seconds. You will revert to biome temp pretty fast no matter your clothes. If you are out getting long shafts you will need a few minutes. People walking through grass, savanna, and even mountain if not for long are the same whether they wear clothes or they don't. Clothes even make you keep bad temp making them deadly when entering out of warm biomes. So without temp shock, clothes are even more useless than they were before, because at least before they helped you maintain higher temp in cold biomes.
We just got screwed over temp with zero tools to fight it while actually doing anything in the game, only a shitty tool to fight the completely new threat of temp shock. Other than that, you won't return to the fire every half a minute to wait 10 secs to warm up.
one where the creator laid out his vision for the game, and this is exactly in line with that vision. Youre wanting this game to be something it isnt.
Please show me the creator's vision on the Steam page of the game. The part that says you are supposed to die most of the time. Even if you know the game well, you should still die, because lolz it should be hard.
We want this to actually be a game, not a stressful ordeal.
My dude anandamide, Rage suggests that Jason not have done something, not that he would do more, really.
This update really messed up everything in the game, it was done with no official explanation, no heads up at all. It turned the entire meta since week two of the game on its head. It made two biomes into certain death traps. It has made the game suck and stressful. I still survive. But it feels gets tiring and boring, to the point that I look at the clock and wish for my life to be over.
People keep saying there are towns out there. No shit. You can keep a fire going until all firewood runs out, to a distance that you won't have time to get to and save the fire. I could keep running out in the grass and find bushes with one berry on to survive. But most didn't. The graveyards continue to be twice the size of cities. You keep finding bodies all over the place. I kept seeing 2-3 dead right at the entrance of jungles, despite all of them wearing clothes (not all full sets of course). All heat is almost certain death and way worse than snow, since it turns all other biomes worse when you cross over from it.
The farms are completely wrecked. There are only huge berry farms to be found, mostly graying constantly. Pockets of useful crops are here and there, but rarely used since there is no soil left for anything and of course no iron to tile anything. I saw stick farms. No pies or any other food source stays for more than half a minute. In late towns with pumps and so on, everyone keeps starving all the time. Everywhere I played, I had a very strong sense that people just used all the soil they could get naturally (which is more now because we are building on grasslands), and no way of doing this sustainably. I saw almost no composting, and at least three different griefers taking over the nursery as "wet nurses" and starving all the babies. People were planting berries all over the place to get closer to water, abandoning upgrading wells since it is impossible. And griefers were out killing by the wild berry fields everyone must use now and then to survive.
Super awesome gameplay. If I want to get stressed I can do my machine learning projects, I dont need ohol.
You are supposed to die for no reason, according to the dev. You aren't supposed to survive and so there shouldn't be any biome that is hospitable. Just die because the bushes are empty already.
Isn't this an amazing rewarding gaming experience.
QUESTION: Does taking a road through several biomes end up killing you due to shock?
If you are going to go through hot-cold quickly, you need a lot of clothes and a good starting temp. Otherwise you are dead. So if either wear no clothes, or you wear a lot of clothes and you are already at max warm or cold, you will die quite fast.
If you already have max temp either cold or warm, you are better off taking off your clothes going in to a less extreme terrain, since you will immediately go to biome temp. If you keep your clothes on, you will stay at max flipped temp for quite a bit longer.
eddie now that I looked at it more carefully this is a result of the "fix". Since going cold-warm or warm-cold shouldn't make you better off, ALL terrains are equivalent to snow if leaving from max heat. jungle is immediately the same as desert if moving in from snow temp. So clothes are quite useless if you have already reached a bad temp because you were somewhere other than grass/savanna for a few secs. If you don't wear clothes jungle-grass, you don't get zero temp because you get tile temp...
I just did a test. I was wearing sealskin coat, straw hat and reed skirt, giving 60% insulation or so. I walked from grassland to jungle, back to grassland, my temp went to max heat, max cold. I lost 4-5 tiles at an instance (insta kill if you are old enough).
Wearing 60% insulation, are you supposed to get shocked to death when walking into jungle? Or is this not working as intended?
edit: I tested it more carefully. Moving to jungle from grass, the jungle is as warm as grassland is cold. Over a few seconds, jungle heats you up to max. If you then go to grassland to escape the heat, despite wearing clothes, you go to zero temp. So if you are running out of jungle, step on grass then jungle, you go max -> zero -> max, lose 4-5 pips in a second, practically insta-die if old enough. So clothes do nothing other than delay for some seconds getting to max temp, but then delay you leaving max cold.
Essentially, all hot tiles are death. Going into any hot tiles for any length of time means you will get to much colder when you go jungle -> grassland then if you go grassland -> snow, guaranteeing death for anyone that crosses warm-cold-warm tiles at the right age, which btw gets random generated that way all over the place. So the map is full of temp death traps, and there is no way to escape the heat.
if you read the discord... I just don't think he ever plays his game, because he doesn't seem to realize what he has done.
dude, fixing the storage problem is way too complicated. how about some planes and ultra fast temp shock death, that should fix it right? /s
if you have a baby while out on a horse cart mission, or car mission, you have to abandon it. basically after a certain tech stage you are supposed to abandon babies you get on the road, which makes no sense.
If you find yourself in the role of baby tender, please ... please ... please ... for the love of God, teach people some basics while they are young and unable to escape your wisdom.
teach people something before you starve now or before you starve in a second? You have no time to communicate anything. Noobs die at six or seven trying to open the nursery door to get back in.
Rage wrote:Games are suppose to be fun. This game is not.
Welcome to One Hour One Life!
this game was fun before the update though
Peremptive wrote:Anyone who thinks this is playable, really playable, not just survive on tryhard mode and make sure not to cross biomes when older, you are delusional.
I stayed alive to 60 for 3 lives and it wasn't even mildly challenging any of those times, and I'm no sort of videogame expert. Just keep your food bar full.
I literally said to actually play the game and not just survive. I can survive too. Surviving is not the point. Go get some glasses because you are blind.