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I really didn't want to join discord JUST to play thol but I'm starting to get hella desperate not going to lie, I think OHOL is just being made more and more unplayable and is definitely not enjoyable anymore. I'm going to have to bite the bullet and join.
This is a Jason game made for Jasons' yes men, there's nothing for me here.
Yikes, between this comment, and the people talking about refunds in OHOL discord General chat a week ago, future looking pretty bleak.
Crumpaloo wrote:So what do you suggest? Make every player invincible to death unless its of old age or starvation? In which case that only makes griefing unimpeded more then it already is with the now defunct posse system. Honestly shits ridiculous, someone can steal a engine i spent my whole life on and not be killed for it and go on to grief even more.
I think the title is the suggestion, which i wouldnt disagree tbh. There is just some people who shouldnt be allowed in this game.
What i kinda took from it was him saying that no matter what changes were made, griefing still continued regardless, and that not only applies to old griefers like bobo, but newer ones aswell, both can and will adapt to changes, and banning either does not stop it. You look at any popular game out there right now, griefers exist there, and its not for lack of trying on the devs part, its just a fact of video games. All the said devs can do is minimize it, and that can be done by giving more power to the players to see it doesn't happen, instead of doing the opposite like with the earn your posse system.
Look at all the requirements you need to kill a griefer:
. 3 players old enough to say "I join you"
. 3 players having lived to the age of 20 in a previous life
. 3 players must be holding a object
. 3 of those same players being around when the griefing happens and understanding what to do in that moment (assuming one of them isn't out hunting rabbits etc.)
. access to a knife or bow if it wasn't already hidden or being used by the griefer
. actually knowing who griefed in the first place (innocent players get killed all the time)
Edit: Oh and Lastly, this is all assuming that these players even know this mechanic exists, with the staggering amount of new players outweighing the old, its not hard to be a old player trying to kill a griefer, and just have hordes of new players just stare at you in confusion when you say "join me!!"
So what do you suggest? Make every player invincible to death unless its of old age or starvation? In which case that only makes griefing unimpeded more then it already is with the now defunct posse system. Honestly shits ridiculous, someone can steal a engine i spent my whole life on and not be killed for it and go on to grief even more.
Got born to a village with no last name where someone named Dan was in the process of stealing all the towns tools. I dont know if people had cursed him before i was born but someone with a knife was trying to kill him to drop the cart of tools and was attempting to get people to join her. Ended up getting about 5 people doing the angry face and yet somehow she still couldn't kill him.
Eventually the guy just took the cart off into the wilderness with a horde of people trailing after him. About 30 minutes later a couple of the people who originally chased the guy into the woods brought back the cart of tools which was nice but still, how was this guy not killed the second he did something like this? It took 5 people chasing him into the woods for god knows how long to bring the tools back and grinded the whole village to a halt.
I can tell you my current motivation. Seeing how many pips worth of food i can make in one life. Ive never made a engine but only because it just seems like pain in the ass to make, as well as the fact that it could get stolen at any moment. Trying to see how much i can do for my kids as well, make them a full set of clothes, fill their backpack with pies, etc. Experiment with property fences but not in the way i think Jason expects people to, Miskas does this to a big degree, making private carrot and berry bowl farms, yum homes and safe-houses for carrots etc..
Mainly just seeing how much i can realistically do to help my village in my one life, be it making a ton of food, compost, clothes, etc. but thats more of a high-score mentality, rather then some kind of drive built on relationships with my kids and family in-game to see them survive.
Seems alot like Kitchens are the busiest place in towns which simultaneously make them the hardest places to work. People constantly running in and out grabbing pies you just made or in some cases raising their CHILDREN inside can hamper how fast and easy it would normally be to make food.
As such wouldn't it make sense to create a external storage of said food rather then keeping it inside the kitchen for players to flock to? Not even suggesting it has to be another building, but rather some storage boxes on the side of the kitchen itself. That way the people that need food can get it faster and the people cooking can do so unimpeded.
Any links would be much appreciated.
HID IT. LMAO
BRO. WE MADE. T A C O S WITH IT.
That's why you couldn't find it?????? I told you 50 fucking times we had a taco work station and we were constantly pumping them out.
Holy fucking shit. Why are you still LYING
This is just dumb, ima stop responding.
Ah yes. She stole it because she didn't let you put all of it behind a fence and instead made Masa dough with it. She should've let it sit behind your fence! OF COURSE. THAT'S FOR THE TOWN.
Meanwhile you're running around begging everyone for 5 mins to curse her while we're pumping out plates of tacos without baskets of food behind a fence.
I'm done arguing with you. Your brain works as slow as you do making tacos.
I spent half my life getting slaked limestone for pork tacos and your friend hides all of it, she gets cursed, if she didnt hide it, she wouldnt of gotten cursed. You cannot reasonably think that destroying someones project that took that long is just fine and dandy do you? If i go into the village bakery and steal all of the pie crusts is that fair game to you also, and if so where does it stop? Do you just brush off people taking diesel engines also? Honestly...
It's a her IRL. She's my friend. She wasn't stealing. We were making TACOS. WE WERE MAKING FOOD. We were twice your age and had been gathering supplies and making tacos the entire time.
Nothing is yours. You think half the pork I made wasn't eatten? You don't see me on here crying and lying about it. You grow up and keep working.
You get supplies for the town. Nothing is anyone's and that's why you were killed. Hoarding stuff behind fences claiming it's yours.Worst of all is you're a hypocrite. Coming in here complaining about mass cursing when you got my friend about 4 curses when she worked her entire life feeding that town. You deserve every curse you got.
I never claimed all that food as my own, in fact, she didn't steal food from me, she stole it from the village, all the food i was gonna make was gonna do directly to the village after being made, and your friend stole that from us. So yes she got cursed for that. Even if you argue everything belongs to everyone she still stole it from all of us, as i never found that cart.
Also i love how you understand that people eat pork meant for tacos and yet complain about me making a property fence to prevent that sort of thing, seems your just content being stuck in a endless loop of players eating worse food meant for better ones, meanwhile im actually doing something about it instead of just taking it.
In the end, your friend stole from the village and got cursed, meanwhile i did nothing but try to help the village by making pork tacos and ended up getting stopped from doing so by you two griefers, your logic that somehow im the one to cause for this is flawed at best, your friend did this, not me.
You are SUCH A FUCKING LIAR and a HUGE hypocrite.
We literally spent our entire lives making tacos. We got a lot of limestone too. Who's to say it was yours? Everything is free game. We were using it to benefit the town and made a fuck ton of food.
And THAT IS NOT WHY THEY KILLED YOU.
They killed you because you were hoarding food and supplies in property fences. I can prove it.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … nknown.pngThat's the guy that killed you.
You were running around begging people to mass curse my friend! We were not fucking griefing and you were making people curse her! You're the griefer here.
How dare you fucking make a post like this when you know for a fact you were begging people to curse someone who did nothing wrong.
Curse her? It wasn't a her, it was a he in-game and the guy in question had stolen from me in the past, so i cursed him because he wouldn't stop, and what do you mean hoarding food in a property fence? I had a couple things of dried corn to make tacos for my village, which you guys stopped me from making when you chose to steal all the limstone i was trying to make, what a clown...
Got born into a big town and wanted to see how many tacos i could make, so i gathered a ton of limestone to make tacos. However since the town didn't have much water i decided to go to a pond to get the water, so i brought my cart of limestone to the pond. Then some random guy came up and stole it, so i cursed him, i tried to find it but gave up searching, so i just tried to remake the limestone, then i saw the person again and tried to get people to curse him, manage to get another person to do it. Then when i tried to convince a group of people he stole stuff meant to make food they wouldn't believe me, and ended up cursing me instead! Even killed me! Probably racked up like six or seven curses.
What kinda backwards community curses the person calling out the people that do this?
guys it was for 10 minutes I was in there
You probably werent even being forced there then, if people curse you you cant spawn in their village, and if you only got cursed a couple times people that cursed you coulda got off.
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Im Gay Kein,
So in short, during a famine of all things, i went into the wild. While there i started having babies left right and center, it just never stopped. It got to the point where i ended up having a total of 33 children, all of whom starved to death as i couldn't support them. This brings up a whole host of issues with the current status of the game, for instance:
1. If Genetic fitness score is suppose to reward good parenting, then why does it punish good parents that cant support their kids, and then go on to punish kids for not being able to be supported?
2. If players can spawn more then 5 times on the same mother in a short span, what does that say about the birthing system in-game? Surely if they kept dying they would eventually be blocked from being birthed to that mother via in-game mechanic, and if not find the numerous mothers on the server who CAN afford to support them instead.
3. If bad events happen in-game like a famine, why would the mother want more babies to further encumber the already encumbered village? Let alone 33 babies while its going on. How is one expected to support so many babies at once while still being able to eat food from the already vulnerable village?
4. If new players spawn into situations like these, where they are forced to die, whats that say about the kind of first impression they will get of the game "we dont got any food and theirs too many babies, so you new player get to die, welcome to the game!!" But as i brought up in point two, these players are spawning back to back on the same mother, so imagine being a new player caught in these loops of starving to death, re-spawning, only to starve to death again? What kind of entertainment is there to be had with that?
Its enough to make a new player refund and never look back, and why bother anyways? Jason you said it yourself, you have on occasion made the game harder intentional or not, and that kind of uncertainty on game mechanics only creates frustration and confusion that pushes new players away from the game. Same for the vets except they dont leave cause they wanna see you continue to build a cool game. That is all...
Dont know if theres already a mod out there that does this, but how about one that tracks how much food you make over your lifetime? Things like pips made per minute/hour would be really incentivizing for those of us that like to bake stuff for the rest of the village, and see what works and what doesnt in terms of payout over time.
It's happening to everyone right now. The curse system is very clearly broken.
The only thing you can do is mass curse, twice a life every life until Jason is forced to acknowledge that it's a problem.
Abuse it as much as possible to drive home the fact that this needs to be fixed.
Curse system good tho, it stops the bad griefers
I miss donkeytown. There are berries on the wild bushes, wild onions, burdock, wild carrots in the savannah. You can play with the other donkeys that aren't your race. Build a nice little camp together or a big town without having to worry about kids. No pressure. Food doesn't run out because there aren't enough locust to eat it all. No bears, no boars, no wolves in town. It's like heaven. Donkeys are eating rice pudding with golden spoons while the rest is suffering. It is actually kinda funny if you think about it.
I mean new players barely have a idea of how in-game mechanics work, let alone abuse them to the point of getting cursed, only people you will see in Donkey Town are experienced players.
It takes 8 curses to end up in Donkey town last time i checked, you must of done something wrong.
Dang that picture was taken when holy town aka sydney was still kicking?
Public good through privatization of public hazards/necessity's does not work because sooner or later that which is private will inevitably become public, at-least within the confines of the current game state.
This is because people who see through the privatization of these entities live temporary lives and as such cannot ensure the permanent security of said entities without making them inaccessible for eternity via in-game mechanics. The most these people can do is ensure through out their life that these objects do not fall into the wrong hands (think knifes, diesel engines, women) but as already discussed their lives being temporary, the security that comes with the privatization of these entities will be temporary too as a result.
So what can be done about it? Well, pass them off to another person to continue the privatization of said entities. As you already know though, this comes with its own host of problems, mainly that of the TRUST one will have too see through what the person has asked of them. That is to say, how can i trust this person to do what i expect of them to do? Which is a hard question to answer.
The game itself is built on trust, but it is a very weak kind of trust, and a general one at that. Based off a assumption that everyone that plays is in it for the collective good, when that is certainly not the case.Which is why you see people on a day to day basis exploit this trust, by stealing, killing, and griefing as a result of this trust being so vast and yet so shallow. It includes everyone, even those that would seek to break it.
Which is why applying that same kind of trust system in a private manner is disastrous as it stands. Because the same people that grief public property of the villages will inevitably become the same people to grief private property, all because there is no definitive bases for which trust can grow on. One second you are giving someone you trust the ownership to the knife storage, the next they are using it to kill everyone and so on.
Now i dont got a solution to this problem, i got ideas, but not workable solutions, but what i do know is that for certain mechanics to work in this game the way i think they were meant to work, then we need more then just blind trust to guide us to a better result, even just a small thing would go a long way.
That all being said, what do you all think?
I didn’t get a refund due to the fact that I have played this game for multiple hours and getting a refund at this point will be morally unethical. As I have stated I have multiple accounts and I could use one to greif if I want. Whatever someone says Jason has made an amazing game that I once loved and spent hours and hours into and got more then my moneys worth. This has led me to make the omniscient descision that I’ll not get a refund for my accounts as that is essentially robbing a man with a family.
I think at this rate he wouldnt mind paying the 80 bucks to get rid of you /s. In all seriousness though the game will get better, its a matter of sticking around long enough, i cant tell you how many games i first started playing and were like "this games hot garbage" only for the game to get better after a couple months. No Man's Sky, For Honor, Planetside 2, Deep Rock Galactic, all of these games ive watched grow over the years and come to find that if a developer truly cares about the work they put into their game, it will get better, bumpy roads or not.
Could you describe the picture? Is this something about how people cant get iron if you put a well down?
Game design dictates player behavior, if the players are or arent doing something you did not expect, thats the fault of the game, not that of the players themselves. For example, the present killing system, it dictate player behavior by encouraging through game design that people get in parties of 3 and go on uninterrupted killing sprees, the video proves just as much.
The tools you have given us to fix this problem in your eyes dont work with the current status of the game, as such if we are to fix this as players we need to be given better ones so that we can.
Maybe you were cursed by some people playing in other towns, so you couldn't be born near them.
That is quite possible, but even so there were already just as many babies as adults, you would think someone would get a eve spawn to balance that sort of thing out, especially where food is more scarce.
Died due to starvation but before 30 so i wasn't lineage banned, ended up being born in a different village so i did the /die command, only to be born in the same village again. So i kept doing /die to try to find a different village. Ended up using all 24 of my lives spawning and dying in the same village over and over again, by the end there was a big baby bone pile in the center of their town where i had spawned so much. On top of that they already had like six other babies born so theres no reason i should of been getting born to a village like that in the first place. Is this some kinda bug?
