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#1 2025-09-29 20:54:02

Spoonwood
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Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

One would think that a female character that left their fertility zone before 14, and never went back to it, didn't contribute to the future of the family.  At least as a general rule, since there may exist some exceptions if such a player got resources out of band and brought valuable enough resources back to other members of their family.  In contrast, does there exist any reason to doubt that a player who births children and raises them does contribute to the future of that family?  At least for one generation, one would think the answer a definite 'no'.  Even in the worst case where their only child goes on and griefs a family, the mother made some contribution to the family's future by having that child and raising it.  The author thinks it fair to say that in terms of their contributions, the homesick woman is not equal to the mother.

Now, consider two people of the sex who engage in a civil contract.  Those two people cannot reproduce with each other.  So, they cannot contribute to the future of their family by producing a child, bearing a child, and also raising that same child once out of a womb.  In contrast, consider two people of the opposite sex with both of them are fertile, who get married.  In the scope of that marriage it does come as possible for them to have a child with their partner, one of them to bear the child in a womb and the other person to support the person who bears the child, and for them to raise the child out of the womb.  The child also has the possibility of having gratitude towards his or her parents for his or her existence.  The child also has the possibility of having gratitude for his or her parents marriage also, since it could have had something to do with his or her existence.

The author thinks it absurd to believe that the contributions of two people of the same sex engaged in a civil contract will usually be equal to the contributions of two married parents who have a child with their partner and raise it.  One would have to find extremely exceptional members of the same sex for them to even have a possibility of them contributing to the future of humanity as much as two married parents who have a child and raise it.

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#2 2025-10-02 04:02:07

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

Are you really trying to use game mechanics to support a value judgement on real people?

Why?

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#3 2025-10-02 05:20:08

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

Well what even is the goal of One Hour One Life? Lately keeping your family alive for as long as possible doesn't seem to be something many players care about. Only caring about helping your family in your current life sure. I think people look too greatly at the smaller picture and don't focus on keeping a family alive for a long time. When focusing on the small picture being a mother is one of the most important things you can do to contribute. However, in the big picture having 10 fertile women at once doesn't really make any difference than having 3 fertiles at once as any dedicated player will just choose to respawn to the family. You will want some fertile females for backup in case they die before 40, but that happens pretty rarely nowdays. Resources basically don't get exhausted anymore as long as you have a few veteran players who can play a few lives here and there. IMO the point of video games is to have fun and if you want to go leave town to do something else in the game as a fertile while there are a few other fertiles in town I see no real issue with that. If anything, if that player eventually returns it would be good to send fertiles out of town to make griefer attacks harder.


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#4 Yesterday 04:30:49

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

Marquis wrote:

"Are you really trying to use game mechanics to support a value judgement on real people?

Why?"

I guess you don't want to answer the question posed at the top of this post.

Do you really think that people in 50 years will look back and value every marriage equally?  That someone who is say the 3rd or 5th child of married parents will value some association between two people of the same sex, as the marriage between his or her parents?


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#5 Yesterday 11:46:12

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

Spoonwood wrote:

Do you really think that people in 50 years will look back and value every marriage equally?  That someone who is say the 3rd or 5th child of married parents will value some association between two people of the same sex, as the marriage between his or her parents?

Spoonwood, no one gives a shit about the marriages 50 years ago now that were all hetero sex.  What are you talking about?  No one cares about other peoples marriages now, except their own and those close to them.  Only you have this freakish obsession with how other people live their lives.  Live your own and let people be themselves in peace.

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#6 Yesterday 15:51:14

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

Rookwood wrote:

Spoonwood, no one gives a shit about the marriages 50 years ago now that were all hetero sex.

I do care about marriages of family members from over 50 years ago.  Specifically, my own parents, and my grandparents marriages.  I don't think I would be here without them, and I think they had a significanat part in my own development.  Also, people who do family trees for their families or other people's families also do care about marriages from 50 or more years ago, since who married whom does get put in those family trees.  The state also keeps track of those marriages.

Rookwood wrote:

No one cares about other peoples marriages now, except their own and those close to them.

This doesn't hold also.  Especially not with a non-narrow conception of caring.  People's behavior does change based on other people's marriages that they aren't close to.  Personally speaking, I also find interesting to know that some people who make YouTube videos I watch are married. 

Rookwood wrote:

Only you have this freakish obsession with how other people live their lives.  Live your own and let people be themselves in peace.

If you were at peace yourself Rookwood, you wouldn't have claimed that I had a "freakish obsession".  You wouldn't have said "no one" multiple times also. 

I didn't ask you before, so I will ask you now:

Do you really think that in 25 to 100 years or more, people will look back and value every marriage equally?  That people who got married, had children in their marriage, and raised children in their marriage, will get seen as having contributed as much to people as two people of the same sex with a civil contract?

Do you have the courage to even think about such a question?  Or can you get that courage someday?


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#7 Yesterday 16:11:40

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

You have a cynical outlook on the value of people, Spoon.  You seem to think they are only worth their utilitarian value as reproductive organs.   I would ask you to have the courage to consider that people have more value than that.  That happy people have the most value, and that in order for people to be happy, they have to be true to themselves and be allowed to choose who they partner with.  Not forced like livestock into arrangements for the sole purpose of producing offspring.

You can be happy too, Spoonwood.  If you let go of these silly notions that one's value is only derived from reproductive success.

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#8 Yesterday 16:52:13

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

Right Rookwood, still doesn't talk about the question posed at the beginning of this post.

Nor does he address the questions I posed after that.

He doesn't have the courage to seek any sort of truth in this matter apparently, at least not at this point in time publicly.

Perhaps best evidenced by this part of what he wrote:

Rookwood wrote:

That happy people have the most value

Happiness is not a contribution to the future of humanity.  People in 50 or 60 years aren't going to get affected by someone's emotional state in 2025.

Rookwood wrote:

If you let go of these silly notions that one's value is only derived from reproductive success.

Not forced like livestock into arrangements for the sole purpose of producing offspring.

You seem to think they are only worth their utilitarian value as reproductive organs.

Honestly, did Rookwood even read the original post?

Parts like this:

Spoonwood wrote:

So, they cannot contribute to the future of their family by producing a child, bearing a child, and also raising that same child once out of a womb.

or this:

Spoonwood wrote:

or them to raise the child out of the womb

or this?

Spoonwood wrote:

One would have to find extremely exceptional members of the same sex for them to even have a possibility of them contributing to the future of humanity as much as two married parents who have a child and raise it.

The post also did NOT say that value couldn't exist outside of contributions to the future of humanity.

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#9 Yesterday 17:11:48

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

Spoonwood wrote:

The post also did NOT say that value couldn't exist outside of contributions to the future of humanity.


I'm glad you're seeing reason, Spoon.  Because I think with this admission, you have completely undermined your initial point.  It is not so absurd, afterall, is it?

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#10 Yesterday 18:11:52

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

Rookwood wrote:

Because I think with this admission, you have completely undermined your initial point.  It is not so absurd, afterall, is it?

My post's point was that it comes as absurd to think that a civil contract between two people of the same sex is equal to that of a marriage between two people who get married, have children, and raise them within the marriage in terms of those relationships contribution to the future of humanity.

It still seems absurd to think that such relationships could be equal in terms of what they contribute to the future of humanity.

Those who do more for others, provide them with more value.

Those who provide value to their children, or grandchildren, do something unequal to those who do not do something for children and do not have children to provide for.


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#11 Today 12:51:43

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

Spoonwood wrote:

I guess you don't want to answer the question posed at the top of this post.

I had to remind myself that there even was a question about the game, because it seemed such a non sequitur to bring up marriage and same sex partners. I thought this must be a bait and switch just to pass judgement on irl people.

Spoonwood wrote:

Do you really think that people in 50 years will look back and value every marriage equally?  That someone who is say the 3rd or 5th child of married parents will value some association between two people of the same sex, as the marriage between his or her parents?

See, this is about irl people. Real people and real lives are much more complicated than OHOL. And there's just no comparison.

You're case isn't made stronger by bringing irl comparisons into it. It's just distracting at best and inflaming at worst.

It seems like all you are saying is staying in band to have kids is more valuable than leaving band and not having kids. That seems like a no brainer. Especially since you already made concessions for going out of band to do specific out of band work.

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#12 Today 13:36:59

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Re: Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers?

Do Permanently Homesick Women Contribute as Much as OHOL Mothers? Was the original question.

How did we get into talking about real life? This is a games forum not Facebook Spoon.

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